@UTF8 @Begin @Languages: eng @Participants: ENV ENV Environment, REED REED Speaker, DARR DARREN Speaker, SALL SALLY Speaker @Options: CA, caps, bullets @ID: eng|SBCSAE|ENV|||||Environment||| @ID: eng|SBCSAE|REED|||||Speaker||| @ID: eng|SBCSAE|DARR|||||Speaker||| @ID: eng|SBCSAE|SALL|||||Speaker||| @Media: 46, audio @Comment: Flumpity-Bump Down the HIll @Comment: Medical interaction, recorded in Shreveport, Louisiana. A patient (Darren) is consulting with his orthopedist (Reed) regarding a knee injury from a recent skiing accident. *ENV: (..) &=DOOR_OPENING . 0_2589 *REED: (..) Hey man . 2589_4447 *DARR: Hey . 4447_4934 *REED: (..) Good to see you 4934_6420 &=laugh &=laugh 6420_6954 (..) we:ll 6954_8464 (..) I see you went ahead with your plans to do a little skiing there ? 8464_12328 *DARR: (.) I did . 12328_12879 *DARR: &=laugh &=laugh . 12879_13234 *SALL: &=laugh . 13234_13408 *REED: We:ll 13408_14046 I'm glad you didn't hurt yourself too bad . 14046_15579 *DARR: ⌈ Me too ⌉ . 15579_16185 *REED: ⌊ and she says ⌋ you're ⌈2 getting better ⌉2 already . 15637_17163 *ENV: ⌊2 &=DOOR_CLOSING ⌋2 . 16212_16788 *REED: so that's always a good sign . 17163_18591 *DARR: (.) Yeah 18591_18969 I mean I couldn't +/. 18969_19619 *DARR: (..) I couldn't begin to ⌈ &{l=X deal with &}l=X the slightest pressure ⌉ . 19619_21848 *REED: ⌊ Yeah 20757_21151 &{l=X give it &}l=X easy easy ⌋ 21151_22208 yeah don't +... 22208_22684 *DARR: (..) &=in Tha⌈t still hur⌉ts back here . 22684_24518 *REED: ⌊ Yeah ⌋ 23404_23787 (.) yeah . 24518_25014 *REED: (..) Well 25014_25614 you don't want to (.) stretch 25614_26761 see what happened 26761_27550 you st- +/. 27550_27875 *REED: (..) Ch- +/. 27875_28764 *REED: (.) According to this other guy 28764_29780 you stretched your ligaments in there 29780_31355 &=in and the ligaments are the things that hold your joint together 31355_34240 keep it from flopping around so 34240_35856 &=in if they get 35856_36870 (..) you know 36870_37567 stretched just a little 37567_38624 when they try to peel down 38624_40126 and tighten up 40126_40875 and you don't want to 40875_41652 &=in (..) you know 41652_43080 get em too la:x while they're trying to tighten . 43080_45599 *REED: You know 45599_45924 you want to let em (.) heal as strong as they can . 45924_48201 *REED: I mean you can move it 48201_49087 I'm not saying you got to go around with it just totally 49087_51382 &=in &=lengthened but you don't wanna stretch those (..) ligaments very much when 51382_55798 while they're healing . 55798_56541 *REED: Just +/. 56541_56796 *REED: &=in (..) Just gra:dually bring it around . 56796_59450 *DARR: (.) ⌈ Okay ⌉ . 59450_60170 *REED: ⌊ Are you u⌋sing any kind of walking aids . 59803_62042 *DARR: ⌈2 Hm-mm ⌉2 . 62042_62509 *REED: ⌊2 Nope ⌋2 . 62042_62509 *REED: (..) Just walking around . 62509_63809 *REED: Hunh ? 63809_64134 *DARR: (.) Yeah 64134_64715 I had 64715_64982 for the first two days I had a crutch or two . 64982_66828 *REED: (.) Okay . 66828_67524 *DARR: I switched from two to one 67524_68618 like a cane 68618_69268 and then I . 69268_69653 *REED: Yeah . 69653_69976 *REED: Okay . 69976_70394 *DARR: (..) Uh: 70394_71218 (.) it was really (.) icy there 71218_72598 so I 72598_73048 (.) it had a spike on it 73048_74208 so⌈: I ⌉ +... 74208_74708 *REED: ⌊ Oh ⌋ 74406_74847 that was neat . 74847_75556 *DARR: (..) Yeah . 75556_76194 *DARR: Peg it in the ground [% laugh] . 76194_77970 *REED: (.) If you forget 77970_78763 and walk inside with your spike 78763_80273 I guess you're ⌈ not too ⌉ well appreciated . 80273_82065 *DARR: ⌊ &=SNEEZE ⌋ 80823_81190 No⌈2: [% laugh] &=laugh ⌉2 . 82065_82723 *REED: ⌊2 &{l=X Bet you &}l=X ⌋2 &=laugh . 82273_82999 *DARR: (.) No [% laugh] 82999_83533 &=laugh . 83533_83824 *REED: (.) Let me set you up there . 83824_85089 *REED: &=THROAT . 85089_85713 *DARR: Is it okay if I record this 85713_86990 I +/. 86990_87304 *DARR: I alread⌈y have ⌉ +... 87304_88081 *REED: ⌊ Sure ⌋ . 87582_87965 *DARR: (..) It's ⌈2 for a ⌉2 pro⌈3ject ⌉3 . 87965_89289 *REED: ⌊2 Sure ⌋2 . 88546_88824 *REED: ⌊3 &=THROAT ⌋3 89126_89486 Sure . 89486_90043 *DARR: (..) Cool . 90043_90977 *REED: (..) Alright 90977_92940 what are you doing over there . 92940_93834 *REED: I thought you were doing something &=ex (.) different . 93834_95970 *REED: I thought you were working with languages in +... 95970_97781 *DARR: (..) Okla⌈homa ⌉ ? 97781_98767 *REED: ⌊ Hunh ⌋ ? 98612_98865 *DARR: (..) Or in California . 98865_100792 *REED: I mean 100792_101233 well yeah 101233_101712 y- California your basic pro⌈ject ⌉ . 101712_103416 *DARR: ⌊ I ⌋ wa:s in linguistics . 103276_104461 *DARR: That's ⌈2 what this project⌉2's for . 104461_105724 *REED: ⌊2 Yeah that's ⌋2 +... 104646_105192 *DARR: but 105724_105974 (..) I did a year of it 105974_107181 an:d decided it wasn't quite 107181_108671 (.) what I ⌈ really l- ⌉ +... 108671_109585 *REED: ⌊ Quite ⌋ 109271_109535 quite what you want 109585_110432 okay . 110432_110787 *DARR: Yeah 110787_111024 it was an unfortunate 111024_111732 cause I really don't know quite what I want [% laugh] &=laugh . 111732_113591 *REED: (..) We:ll that's alright . 113591_114660 *REED: (..) I mean 114660_115239 there's a lot of things out there 115239_116400 you'll find something . 116400_117341 *DARR: (.) I hope so &=ex . 117341_118239 *REED: You know 118239_118739 ʔuh +... 118739_118962 *DARR: (.) I ⌈ move to O⌉klahoma . 118962_120143 *REED: ⌊ X ⌋ +/. 119312_119645 *REED: (..) Completely . 120143_120967 *REED: My son is still flopping around 120967_122747 he +/. 122747_122964 *REED: &=in (..) He uh graduated from medical school this year and uh 122964_127023 I mean he's in uh 127023_128141 (..) Soho in New York . 128141_129707 *DARR: (..) Reall⌈y ⌉ . 129707_130531 *REED: ⌊ S⌋tarting an art (.) career 130427_131959 (..) &=laugh &=lengthened . 131948_133794 *DARR: &=laugh ⌈ &=laugh &=laugh &=laugh ⌉ &=laugh . 133794_135094 *REED: ⌊ So: [% laugh] ⌋ 134072_134781 (.) so you see 135059_135791 I mean 135791_136058 a lot of people 136058_136859 &=in you know 136859_137697 I mean he's gonna paint for a year 137697_138975 and just see whether he can do well enough with th⌈at to ⌉ +... 138975_141338 *DARR: ⌊ Cause he ⌋ doesn't want to be a doctor after all ? 141134_142446 *REED: Well 142446_142725 he couldn't find anything he really wanted to do . 142725_145261 *REED: You know 145261_145696 I mean he . 145696_146317 *DARR: (..) Did he ⌈ spec⌉ialize ⌈2 &{l=X at all &}l=X ⌉2 ? 146317_147827 *REED: ⌊ he ⌋ +/. 147014_147339 *REED: ⌊2 &=in ⌋2 Well that's what I mean 147577_148477 no 148477_148702 he hasn't specialized yet . 148702_149754 *REED: But he couldn't find anything that just really 149754_152156 (..) pulled him toward it 152156_153526 (..) a:nd so he said well 153526_155210 (.) &=in (..) you know &=ex 155210_157576 &=in I guess he got a lot out of always doing art when he was young and 157576_161268 he's gotta scratch that little itch 161268_163093 (.) I ⌈ think . 163093_163660 *DARR: ⌊ Good for him ⌋ . 163381_164084 *REED: a:nd ⌉ 163660_164058 so he's up there 164058_164910 and he'll give it a year and 164910_166220 (.) see what happens . 166220_167265 *REED: And the same for you 167265_168043 you got +/. 168043_168391 *REED: &=in You got plenty of +/. 168391_169517 *REED: &=in There's: (.) uh 169517_170720 (.) fortunately 170720_171684 (..) this day and time I think it allows 171684_174076 (..) ʔuh one to 174076_175875 (.) proceed like you're and- 175875_177339 you're proceeding 177339_178207 and he's proceeding . 178207_179182 *REED: And I think it 179182_179657 I think it's the right thing to do . 179657_181132 *REED: I would've d- +/. 181132_181608 *REED: I would probably do the same thing were I 181608_184231 you know 184231_184580 another generation down the line . 184580_186242 *REED: &=in You know 186242_187235 although I r- ʔuh 187235_187935 (.) I didn't make the wrong decision for me . 187935_190243 *REED: (..) But 190243_190708 (..) I'm sure I would have been a lot more . 190708_193185 *REED: (..) Uh 193185_194114 (..) uh 194114_195449 (..) I guess 195449_196316 diligent in in 196316_197302 working it out beforehand but 197302_198800 &=in in 198800_199513 in my time 199513_200298 you know 200298_200623 you really kinda just +/. 200623_201768 *REED: (.) There wasn't too many things to do 201768_203519 you know 203519_204144 and 204144_204369 you- (.) too many opportunities 204369_205739 and so you just kinda 205739_206749 &=in chose between a few 206749_208443 and 208443_208693 (.) that was it . 208693_209422 *DARR: (..) Yeah . 209422_209933 *DARR: ⌈ &=laugh &=laugh ⌉ . 209933_210351 *REED: ⌊ &=laugh &=lengthened ⌋ &=lengthened . 209921_210757 *DARR: ⌈2 &=laugh &=laugh ⌉2 &=in . 210757_211825 *REED: ⌊2 So [% laugh] ⌋2 210966_211407 (..) a little simpler lifesty:le in those days . 211825_214684 *REED: &=in (.) Tell me where it hurts . 214684_216182 *DARR: (..) Uh 216182_217054 (.) still a little bit back here . 217054_218480 *REED: (.) Mm-kay . 218480_219061 *DARR: Doesn't feel quite normal (.) back there 219061_221073 (..) un⌈der ⌉ +... 221073_221708 *REED: ⌊ Okay ⌋ . 221557_221917 *DARR: (..) It (.) originall⌈2y hurt ⌉2 +... 221917_223844 *REED: ⌊2 On the si⌋2:des 223264_224093 yeah 224093_224334 the ⌈ sides ⌉ don't hurt mu⌈2:ch ⌉2 ? 224334_225632 *DARR: ⌊ It would ⌋ +/. 224434_224807 *DARR: ⌊2 Not a⌋2nymore . 225443_226075 *DARR: ⌈3 I think it did at ⌉3 fir- +... 226075_226986 *REED: ⌊3 Mm-kay ⌋3 . 226307_226778 *DARR: at ⌈4 first ⌉4 . 226981_227608 *REED: ⌊4 great ⌋4 . 227224_227507 *DARR: (..) He drew some blood out 227507_228927 (.) from here ⌈ the first time ⌉ . 228927_230247 *REED: ⌊ Yeah 229434_229667 I saw that ⌋ . 229655_230293 *REED: You got 230293_230677 ʔa little bit of blood 230677_231571 not too much 231571_232186 that's a good sign too . 232186_233285 *REED: (..) Cause 233285_233810 &=in usually when they're torn bad 233810_235185 they have a lot more blood than that . 235185_236645 *REED: (..) Is that doing anything . 236645_240232 *DARR: (.) Nothing bad really . 240232_241300 *REED: (..) Which one hurts more 241300_242997 (.) ba:ck 242997_243505 (..) or forward . 243505_244726 *DARR: (..) They're about the same . 244726_246039 *REED: About the same . 246039_246743 *DARR: There's just this sense of constantly not being quite right . 246743_249575 *REED: (.) Mm-kay ? 249575_250091 *REED: (..) &=in Well see 250091_251506 let me show you something over here . 251506_252710 *REED: (..) Watch this one . 252710_254236 *REED: (..) See I'm pushing ba:ck now . 254236_256637 *DARR: (.) Yeah . 256637_257094 *REED: (.) and I'm pulling forward 257094_258255 and it +/. 258255_258592 *REED: (..) You get a little bit of pull 258592_260527 (..) coming forward it 260527_261602 (.) it (.) moves out a little bit 261602_263227 (.) and 263227_263645 but when you go back 263645_264536 it kinda 264536_264986 (..) tight . 264986_266242 *REED: (..) It's got a good catch to it you know . 266242_268503 *DARR: Mhm . 268503_268898 *REED: over here 268898_269536 (..) &=in we're gonna pull 269536_271873 (..) pull it out . 271873_273079 *DARR: (..) Wow it doesn't have that same movement . 273079_275748 *REED: (..) It's got a little more (.) forward movement 275748_278500 (..) and it 278500_279314 (.) kinda 279314_279891 (..) has a 279891_280813 kind of a rubbery kinda end stop there 280813_284136 (.) so: uh 284136_284972 &=in chances are &=ex 284972_286537 (.) you've uh hurt that 286537_287846 (..) uh ligament in the back too . 287846_289755 *REED: &=in Uh . 289755_290613 *DARR: (.) The crossband ? 290613_291600 *REED: (.) M:hm yeah . 291600_292457 *REED: The +/. 292457_292719 *REED: (..) Call +/. 292719_294372 *REED: We call em the cruciate ligaments . 294372_295929 *REED: He calls em the ex-ban:ds 295929_297394 or whatever they ⌈ are . 297394_298257 *DARR: ⌊ Yeah 298029_298407 I don't know what ⌋ +... 298407_298745 *REED: th- they ⌉ +/. 298257_298745 *REED: They cross 298745_299585 (..) and one +/. 299585_300627 *REED: (.) &=in They cross because one's going forward and one's going backwards 300627_303816 and they keep you from going forwards and backwards 303816_305882 is basically ⌈ what they ⌉ do so . 305882_307438 *DARR: ⌊ Hunh ⌋ . 306463_306782 *REED: ⌈2 &=in ⌉2 Pretty logical arrangement there . 307438_309812 *DARR: ⌊2 Mhm ⌋2 . 307886_308117 *REED: (..) &=THROAT 309812_312005 (..) Yeah 312005_318611 it is . 318611_319013 *REED: Your posterior's (..) messed up a little bit . 319013_322241 *REED: &=ex &=lengthened . 322241_323042 *DARR: (.) Well 323042_326014 can that get better ? 326014_326861 *REED: (..) U:h &=ex &=lengthened 326861_328918 (..) mm: 328918_330335 (..) &{l=P get a little better maybe &}l=P . 330335_332727 *REED: (..) It's not gonna get all the way right . 332727_335792 *DARR: (..) Mm . 335792_336365 *REED: It'll be (.) a little bit of a problem . 336365_338049 *REED: &=in I'm not sure you didn't maybe have some of that before 338049_341009 I don't really know 341009_341942 (..) uh 341942_342716 (.) let me see w- (.) how much this hurts here . 342716_344723 *DARR: (.) Mm . 344723_346011 *REED: (..) None ? 346011_347521 *DARR: (..) Mm-mm . 347521_348299 *REED: Good . 348299_348624 *REED: (..) &=in . 348624_350930 *DARR: (.) My main physical activity 350930_352430 for the past year and a half has been aikido . 352430_354392 *ENV: (..) &=DOOR_CLOSING . 354392_355530 *DARR: which is a pretty gent⌈le art ⌉ . 355530_357155 *REED: ⌊ Mm ⌋ . 356679_357039 *REED: (..) Mm-kay . 357155_358439 *DARR: (.) Lot of rolling 358439_359206 lot of +/. 359206_359565 *DARR: (..) The knees do take something from that 359565_361239 &{l=X I believe that they &}l=X +/. 361239_362005 *DARR: (..) A lot of work ⌈ on em ⌉ . 362005_363537 *REED: ⌊ Oh yeah ⌋ . 362886_363559 *REED: Sure . 363559_364024 *REED: Any of those (..) things gotta (.) &=in put some kinda (.) stress on your leg 364024_369118 you know ? 369118_369484 *DARR: (.) I definitely want to get back to it though . 369484_371020 *DARR: (..) I had to lay off it for a while . 371020_373295 *DARR: (..) That (..) hurts right over here . 373295_375598 *SALL: Okay . 375598_375897 *REED: Mm-kay . 375897_376444 *REED: (..) It's not too bad though . 376444_378198 *SALL: (..) &=SNIFF . 378198_378952 *REED: (.) It's just ve:ry mi:ld 378952_380856 &=in uh 380856_381715 that +/. 381715_382006 *REED: That one could probably +/. 382006_383201 *REED: (..) See look at the difference on here now . 383201_385047 *REED: what- (.) see +/. 385047_385792 *REED: (..) See how much of a jiggle you got there 385792_387818 you got just (..) a little laxity there . 387818_391295 *REED: righ⌈:t ⌉ ? 391295_391608 *DARR: ⌊ M⌋hm . 391411_391817 *REED: (.) And this one's just (.) a hai:r different . 391817_394046 *REED: I mean it +/. 394046_394627 *REED: (..) But it hurts . 394627_398391 *DARR: (.) A bit . 398391_398902 *REED: (.) Uh 398902_399332 a little bit . 399332_399784 *DARR: (.) It ⌈ hurt a lot at first ⌉ . 399784_400969 *REED: ⌊ But it's just a ⌋ hair 400121_401515 &=in and uh 401515_402479 (.) so 402479_402933 if you just let that one kinda heal 402933_404706 (..) you know 404706_406206 which I think it's gonna do 406206_407204 cause you don't even complain much of this over here . 407204_409767 *REED: &=in You know 409767_410251 when you're doing things 410251_411077 you're thinking more about this back one 411077_412792 and that's the posterior (..) ex-band 412792_415257 if you want to put it (.) like that 415257_416683 or posterior cruciate we call it . 416683_418076 *DARR: (..) &=SNIFF . 418076_419148 *REED: (..) &=tsk Uh 419148_420187 (..) seems to be the problem 420187_421835 (.) &=in but it's not uh 421835_423394 (..) I'm not sure you didn't have a little bit of that problem before . 423394_428007 *DARR: (..) It isn't +/. 428007_430538 *DARR: (..) All these years since the wreck 430538_432679 the (.) the leg's never felt 432679_433942 you know 433942_434269 like it 434269_434571 (..) it's ⌈ never been t⌉otally norm⌈2al but ⌉2 . 434571_436347 *REED: ⌊ Mhm ⌋ . 435012_435407 *REED: ⌊2 Mhm ⌋2 . 435907_436347 *DARR: I just ⌈3 got used to it ⌉3 . 436347_437218 *REED: ⌊3 Did your knee ⌋3 436580_437381 did your knee feel ⌈4 like it ⌉4 would +... 437381_439296 *DARR: ⌊4 &=GASP ⌋4 438811_439041 (..) Sorr- ⌈5 that hurt⌉5s a bit . 439296_440355 *REED: ⌊5 X ⌋5 439621_439889 (.) Where did that get you 440355_441424 over here ? 441424_441849 *DARR: Again ⌈ yeah ⌉ . 441849_442418 *REED: ⌊ Right ⌋ . 442209_442429 *REED: Yeah okay . 442429_442963 *REED: That's okay . 442963_443480 *REED: (.) &=in Did your knee feel like it (..) had some play in it 443480_447671 you know 447671_447989 it wasn't real steady . 447989_449293 *DARR: (.) I don't remember . 449293_450343 *DARR: (..) That being a +... 450343_451493 *REED: Being a ⌈ (.) ⌉ complaint while you were doing your &=in martial arts stuff ? 451493_455789 *SALL: ⌊ &=SNIFF ⌋ . 452424_452667 *REED: Still ⌈2 &{l=X hurt a little bit too &}l=X ⌉2 . 455789_457236 *DARR: ⌊2 I injured the front of the ⌋2 knees when I was dancing for a while 456165_458928 I was dancing with Kristy Hannah here 458928_460593 (.) ⌈ few years ag⌉o and . 460593_461661 *REED: ⌊ Mhm ⌋ . 460735_461360 *DARR: (.) there were some times I came down on it 461661_463066 ⌈ and it did some ⌉ +... 463066_463995 *REED: ⌊ XXXXX ⌋ ? 463078_463937 *DARR: (..) But that was (.) impact injury . 463937_467188 *REED: Yeah . 467188_467583 *REED: Right . 467583_467935 *REED: (..) Let's see (.) how rough that is . 467935_469927 *REED: Let your knee down . 469927_470821 *REED: (.) Alright now straighten your knee out . 470821_472284 *REED: (.) Yeah 472284_472586 you've got a little +/. 472586_473271 *REED: (..) ⌈ Put your ⌉ +... 473271_474699 *DARR: ⌊ Yeah ⌋ . 474432_474687 *REED: Put your hand . 474699_475209 *REED: You feel it ? 475209_475651 *DARR: (.) Yeah 475651_476198 (.) ⌈ it's X ⌉ . 476198_476999 *REED: ⌊ But that's ⌋ pretty typical . 476519_477672 *REED: How about this one . 477672_478389 *REED: You got anything over ⌈ here . 478389_479515 *DARR: ⌊ &{l=X I've got a &}l=X X ⌋ . 479271_479936 *REED: no that's ⌉ pretty slick . 479515_480656 *REED: Just a little click over ⌈2 there ⌉2 . 480656_482015 *DARR: ⌊2 Yeah ⌋2 . 481771_482038 *REED: (.) &=in (..) Alright &=ex ? 482038_484030 *REED: Uh 484030_484399 hold your (.) leg real strong there 484399_486257 let me pull on it . 486257_487023 *REED: And let's see if we got 487023_487859 (..) a pretty good muscle there ? 487859_490400 *REED: (..) Is that hurting anything ? 490400_491991 *DARR: Mm-⌈mm ⌉ . 491991_492921 *REED: ⌊ Kay ⌋ . 492621_492921 *REED: (.) &=in Alright 492884_494075 well I- +/. 494075_494424 *REED: I think uhm 494424_495411 (..) &=tsk &=in (.) You know I +/. 495411_499190 *REED: I think 499190_499701 (.) probably 499701_500850 (..) it's mostly posterior cruciate 500850_503511 not so much anterior cruciate 503511_505136 which is good 505136_505950 &=in um 505950_507168 (..) the medial collateral ligament 507168_511315 that (.) l:igament here is just minimally hurt 511315_513420 (.) &=in (.) uh 513420_515158 I think so:me of that (..) posterior cruciate was probably already r- there 515158_519657 and the reason I'm saying that is 519657_521021 because it really (..) doesn't hurt that much when I pull on it . 521021_524746 *REED: &=in See the +/. 524746_525500 *REED: (.) This is the one that ⌈ pulls on that ⌉ +... 525500_527645 *DARR: ⌊ It feels tight though ⌋ a bit . 526670_527873 *REED: (.) Mhm . 527873_528469 *REED: (..) When I push back 528469_530083 (..) I'm pushing on it . 530083_531406 *REED: (..) That's +/. 531406_532353 *REED: (.) And 532353_532822 and that's not bothering you very much . 532822_534505 *REED: (..) But see this one 534505_535875 (..) has been hurt 535875_537060 and when I pull on this one . 537060_538604 *DARR: (..) That ⌈ does hurt ⌉ . 538604_539850 *REED: ⌊ y- (.) it ⌋ it hurts . 539462_540530 *REED: So 540530_540780 I mean 540780_541029 you know 541029_541308 I mean 541308_541610 pretty simple 541610_542316 you know 542316_542608 if if they've been hurt 542608_543560 they gonna hurt when you stretch em . 543560_544835 *REED: you know 544835_545185 so 545185_545556 &=in &=lengthened that's why I'm thinking that (.) posterior is probably 545556_549078 (.) a lot of that's been there 549078_550673 (.) &=in you may have hurt it a little bit more 550673_553316 (.) you know 553316_554071 (.) and yʔ- +/. 554071_554674 *REED: So you got this one a little bit 554674_556114 and this one a little bit 556114_557300 &=in Both of em are a little 557300_558679 &=in both of em can probably heal up if you let em 558679_561789 (..) &=in a:nd . 561789_563447 *DARR: (.) No need for surgery to make it ⌈ better ⌉ ? 563447_565212 *REED: ⌊ No ⌋ . 564852_565200 *REED: Unh-unh . 565212_565620 *REED: (..) And uh 565620_566978 (..) the: 566978_568406 (..) the outcome will probably be: 568406_572097 (..) pretty close to what you had before . 572097_574222 *REED: In other words 574222_574804 &=in &=lengthened ⌈ I ⌉ +... 574804_575603 *DARR: ⌊ I may ⌋ have lost a b:it 575349_576338 &{l=@ but it's⌈2: not &}l=@ ⌉2 +... 576338_577140 *REED: ⌊2 Yeah ⌋2 . 576674_577140 *REED: I mean 577140_577523 you know 577523_577894 five percent or 577894_578970 (.) something . 578970_579647 *REED: You know what I mean 579647_580506 you know 580506_580739 I don't know . 580739_581342 *REED: You know 581342_581667 you'll just have to +/. 581667_582623 *REED: (.) &{l=X Try to &}l=X have to see how it plays out . 582623_584483 *REED: But it it's gonna be minimal . 584483_585981 *REED: (..) &=in And you can z- +/. 585981_587752 *REED: (..) You can overcome that a little bit 587752_589752 by getting your (.) muscle (.) in better shape . 589752_592227 *REED: (..) &=tsk There are two things that stabilize your knee . 592227_595030 *REED: &=in This is your knee brace 595030_596607 the big muscle above your knee is the brace for your knee 596607_599171 that's what holds it together when you're doing things . 599171_601548 *REED: &=in In fact 601548_602816 you know 602816_603025 all the sports players they +/. 603025_604362 *REED: Their ligaments have been stretched so much and 604362_606426 repaired 606426_607083 and stretched 607083_607663 and repaired 607663_608279 that they +/. 608279_608755 *REED: They're just not much good 608755_610246 &=in and they really &=in (.) have to (.) compensate with their muscle power 610246_614719 ⌈ is what they do . 614719_615517 *DARR: ⌊ They do a lot of leg lifts ⌋ ? 614719_616042 *REED: &=in S⌉o right . 615517_616587 *REED: (..) Uh: 616587_617396 (.) you know just 617396_618282 (..) just 618282_619234 (.) uh 619234_619660 you can do straight leg lifts 619660_620952 or &=in what we call just those (.) little short extensions 620952_624017 just &=in put a (.) bolster under behind your leg right here 624017_627500 &=in extend the last twenty to thirty degrees with weight on your leg 627500_631142 like this 631142_631687 do little short extensions with weight . 631687_633734 *DARR: (..) Mhm ? 633734_634697 *REED: &=in and keep working up on the weight . 634697_636241 *DARR: (..) Mhm ? 636241_637113 *REED: (..) you wanna b- +/. 637113_638812 *REED: You +/. 638812_638982 *REED: What you wanna do 638982_639690 and you can just do isometrics 639690_640998 you can just (.) l:ock your knee real stiff 640998_643111 and just tighten your muscle 643111_644161 hold it tight as you can for three seconds 644161_646170 and then let it rest for three seconds 646170_647818 and then tight for three seconds 647818_649467 and then rest . 649467_650042 *REED: &=in And you don't have to move it when you do that . 650042_651876 *REED: &=in Uh &=ex 651876_653614 (..) ʔuh: all kinda ways . 653614_655820 *REED: So just whatever the day will al- (.) permit 655820_657937 I mean 657937_658181 if you're sitting around 658181_659167 and you got some time to do some (..) isometrics 659167_661803 you can do that 661803_662546 and then when you have other time you can do the weights . 662546_664690 *REED: &=in &=lengthened But (.) keeping this strong will compensate for your ligaments is the (.) plan . 664690_669623 *REED: You know so uh 669623_670692 (..) &=in you know 670692_671829 I think 671829_672282 I think you'll find you 672282_673478 you do pretty well . 673478_674790 *DARR: (..) Do you think I can go back to (..) aikido and stuff ? 674790_678239 *REED: (.) Probably 678239_678785 (..) as long as it's not too (.) too violent . 678785_683586 *REED: (.) You know it's more form and 683586_685377 shape and 685377_686201 (..) stuff or it's 686201_687463 ⌈ it's not too ⌉ much contact . 687463_689007 *DARR: ⌊ It's about ⌋ +... 687463_688126 *REED: &=in . 689007_689367 *DARR: But no it's 689367_689925 ideally it's about (.) blending . 689925_691844 *DARR: (..) It's about blending with the attack 691844_693803 it's not about meeting the force with force so . 693803_695987 *REED: (.) Okay . 695987_696660 *DARR: (..) There's a lot of rolls . 696660_697911 *REED: (.) Okay 697911_699095 mm 699095_699501 well 699501_699830 &=in I guess if you got good at (.) at doing it 699830_702582 you know 702582_702953 where you didn't +/. 702953_703534 *REED: Wasn't getting yourself in awkward positions 703534_705790 ʔand you know 705790_706312 (.) getting your knee all twisted up underneath you or something 706312_709052 you know 709052_709319 you could probably handle it okay . 709319_710938 *REED: (.) &=in &=lengthened (..) I think 710938_713295 I think you'll (.) you'll be able to see for yourself . 713295_715713 *REED: (..) Because (.) once you get your (.) muscles strong 715713_718576 you get this thing controlling your knee well 718576_720588 you'll see what kind of knee control you have 720588_722282 it'll be pretty obvious to you whether you &=in you have the type of control (..) to do that . 722282_727831 *DARR: (..) What do you think the lesson should be from this . 727831_730292 *DARR: I mean 730292_730652 (.) ʔuh +/. 730652_731046 *DARR: This is the first time I've ever been on skis . 731046_732544 *DARR: I never did it before my wreck 732544_733733 so 733733_734158 (..) I guess the less +/. 734158_735128 *DARR: W- one lesson is I'll (..) probably shouldn't try skiing anymore . 735128_737860 *REED: (.) &=in (.) &=ex . 737860_739545 *DARR: ʔI ⌈ ʔuh ⌉ +... 739545_740032 *REED: ⌊ ʔHe- ⌋ +/. 739800_740021 *REED: ʔuh +/. 740032_740218 *REED: (..) You know 740218_740973 if it were me personally 740973_742784 that would probably be the lesson I'd learn from it . 742784_744990 *DARR: (..) Cause I'm lucky it wasn't worse . 744990_746452 *DARR: ⌈ When I ⌉ +... 746452_746779 *REED: ⌊ Right ⌋ . 746510_746893 *DARR: (.) It was a ⌈2 pretty bad ⌉2 fall . 746893_748135 *REED: ⌊2 Right ⌋2 . 747293_747685 *DARR: the +/. 748135_748286 *DARR: The incline was about 748286_749308 (..) I don't know what grade but 749308_750746 &=in there was a (.) turn in the wood- +/. 750746_752301 *DARR: It was this was in the woods . 752301_753327 *REED: ⌈ Yeah right ⌉ . 753327_753869 *DARR: ⌊ And it was cro⌋ss country 753327_754416 &=in ⌈2 &=lengthened ⌉2 . 754416_754821 *REED: ⌊2 Yeah ⌋2 . 754566_754821 *DARR: So I didn't know what I was doing 754846_755728 my girlfriend had taught me 755728_756727 (.) I had been skiing for two and a half hours 756727_758201 I was tired . 758201_758926 *REED: (.) &=laugh &=laugh ⌈ &=laugh ⌉ . 758926_759866 *DARR: ⌊ and &{l=SM we were ⌋ getting close to getting back &}l=SM 759594_761085 (.) &=in and I got ʔuh (.) carried away . 761085_762768 *DARR: She showed me how when you're +/. 762768_763916 *DARR: In cross country 763916_764635 when you're about to fall 764635_765460 you just sit down . 765460_766356 *REED: Oh . 766356_766632 *REED: O⌈kay ⌉ . 766632_767108 *DARR: ⌊ But I ⌋ didn't do it right . 766853_767770 *DARR: So 767770_768087 &=in there was a turn and then 768087_769161 &=in I +/. 769161_769695 *DARR: And the (.) skis don't (.) snap off ⌈ of course ⌉ . 769695_771634 *REED: ⌊ Oh . 771042_771423 *REED: I ⌋ know . 771426_771878 *DARR: And so 771878_772262 (..) it stuck 772262_773190 and I ⌈ kept tw⌉isting . 773190_774177 *REED: ⌊ You ⌋ +... 773481_773794 *DARR: and the ⌈2 knee ⌉2 took all the torque . 774177_775307 *REED: ⌊2 ʔOh ⌋2 . 774340_774549 *DARR: &=in &=lengthened (.) And I didn't know what I'd done . 775307_777168 *DARR: (..) I screamed and 777168_778606 she helped me 778606_779234 and I manage to somehow 779234_780372 I don't know ʔuh +/. 780372_781022 *DARR: S- somehow managed to get up and 781022_782473 &=in hobble (..) on the ski pole 782473_784842 all the way ⌈ back to the cabin . 784842_786258 *REED: ⌊ &=laugh Oh my God ⌋ . 785341_786653 *DARR: and then we had to ⌉ call the uh 786258_787164 s- the ambulance to take us sixty kilometers to &=in Oreille 787164_790287 which is a ski resort . 790287_791498 *REED: (..) ⌈ Geez ⌉ . 791498_792551 *DARR: ⌊ We were in the m⌋iddle of nowhere . 792040_793201 *DARR: &=in &=ex &=in . 793201_794427 *REED: (.) Hunh . 794427_794838 *DARR: (.) I'm a little +/. 794838_795465 *DARR: ʔI I think it's been three weeks now 795465_797276 I +/. 797276_797404 *DARR: I was hoping that 797404_798174 you know 798174_798465 you told me or 798465_799126 doctor Smith told me that you know 799126_800404 with chronic osteo it could come back from impact 800404_802851 and I was +/. 802851_803222 *DARR: And I really hope this is not the time 803222_805057 you know 805057_805289 I've made it (.) ⌈ how many ⌉ +... 805289_806410 *REED: ⌊ Ah that's ⌋ (..) unlikely . 805939_807504 *DARR: (.) I've +/. 807504_807921 *DARR: I have not spiked any fever or 807921_809700 or seen any ⌈ signs ⌉ of . 809700_810785 *REED: ⌊ Yeah ⌋ . 810262_810541 *REED: (.) No: it's 810785_811578 (..) it looks pretty g⌈ood ⌉ . 811578_813762 *DARR: ⌊ I ⌋ think I may have gotten lucky . 813588_814957 *REED: (..) Yeah 814957_817550 if it's not hurting up there 817550_818707 the pain would be &=in probably your first warning sign . 818707_821656 *REED: And you know . 821656_822132 *DARR: If that ever happ⌈ened ⌉ . 822132_823073 *REED: ⌊ Ri⌋ght . 822875_823200 *REED: (.) You could start (.) feeling some &=in &=lengthened (.) cha:nge in the &=ex (.) the status quo 823200_829762 you know ? 829762_830403 *REED: (.) ⌈ Changes ⌉ . 830403_831123 *DARR: ⌊ I still feel ⌋ +... 830479_831146 *REED: (.) Yeah . 831146_831517 *DARR: It feels (.) b:- (.) pretty much like the other leg . 831517_833612 *DARR: ⌈ I mean ⌉ . 833612_833983 *REED: ⌊ Good ⌋ . 833612_833983 *REED: (.) That's great . 833983_834599 *REED: (.) Wonderful . 834599_835214 *DARR: Solid . 835214_835794 *REED: (..) Great . 835794_837095 *DARR: (..) Well . 837095_838107 *REED: (.) Love it . 838107_838954 *REED: (..) Well I'm glad you didn't hurt yourself 838954_841009 (..) it's a (.) cheap lesson . 841009_842809 *REED: Right ? 842809_843157 *DARR: That's right [% laugh] . 843157_843819 *REED: ⌈ &=laugh &=lengthened ⌉ &=laugh ⌈2 &=laugh &=laugh &=laugh ⌉2 &=laugh . 843819_845700 *SALL: ⌊ &=laugh &=lengthened ⌋ . 843924_844376 *DARR: ⌊2 &=laugh (.) &=laugh ⌋2 844713_845270 (..) I'd say so . 845700_846861 *REED: (.) &=in Yeah 846861_847982 I +/. 847982_848331 *REED: I was out +/. 848331_849120 *REED: (..) We were out 849120_850257 and the kids were (.) skiing 850257_851864 you know 851864_852291 and I was watching em go down 852291_853650 and I &{l=WH was thinking 853650_854269 (.) God that would sure &}l=WH be fun . 854269_855927 *REED: You know ? 855927_856334 *REED: (..) And then s- 856334_857479 just barely my common sense (.) won out 857479_860285 and I decided not to do it 860285_861711 but you know I've had (.) two discs taken out of my back 861711_863982 my neck f:used for a bad disc 863982_865851 &=in I don't need to go (.) flumpity-bump down the hill . 865851_868556 *REED: You know 868556_868963 I don't need any of that 868963_869834 so 869834_870124 &=in (..) you just have to 870124_871958 &=ex 871958_872573 have to kind of draw a few lines . 872573_874137 *DARR: Mm⌈: ⌉ . 874137_875448 *REED: ⌊ but I ⌋ came close to . 875173_876413 *DARR: (..) ⌈2 It's tempting ⌉2 . 876413_877652 *REED: ⌊2 to trying it ⌋2 876932_877640 it's tempting . 877652_878364 *REED: It's ⌈ very tempting ⌉ . 878364_879514 *DARR: ⌊ It was fun 878608_879270 I ⌋ can tell you 879270_879854 ⌈2 till I fell ⌉2 +... 879854_880454 *REED: ⌊2 Oh Go⌋2:d . 879929_880742 *REED: It's +/. 880742_880928 *REED: It's just great . 880928_881845 *REED: (.) You know 881845_882333 but 882333_882588 &=in then I'd have to pay for it for the rest of my life 882588_885007 but I didn't know whether I wanted to do ⌈ that ⌉ . 885007_886366 *DARR: ⌊ Not a ⌋ fair ⌈2 trade ⌉2 . 886168_886987 *REED: ⌊2 &=COUGH ⌋2 886772_887004 Not ⌈3 a fair tr⌉3ade . 887004_888165 *SALL: ⌊3 &{l=X No: [% laugh] &}l=X ⌋3 . 887329_887910 *DARR: ⌈4 I wouldn't do it . 888165_888674 *REED: ⌊4 &=laugh Ch:- ⌋4 . 888165_888781 *DARR: that⌉4's bad odds . 888674_889349 *REED: (..) Good to see you . 889349_890822 *REED: (..) Come see me . 890822_892174 *REED: You know whenever you're ⌈ in town ⌉ ? 892174_893501 *DARR: ⌊ I will ⌋ . 892998_893463 *REED: (..) And uh 893501_894600 (..) &=in let me know what you get into 894600_896794 I'm sure it'll be something fun . 896794_898286 *DARR: (.) I hope so . 898286_899165 *REED: (..) I think it will . 899165_900349 *REED: (..) See you . 900349_901151 *DARR: Bye-bye . 901151_901464 *REED: Okay . 901464_901894 *SALL: (.) Okay ? 901894_902520 *SALL: (.) Just (.) let us know 902520_903690 (..) if you need anything . 903690_905247 *DARR: (.) Okay . 905247_906058 *SALL: (.) Okay ? 906058_906801 @End