@UTF8 @Begin @Languages: eng @Participants: RAND RANDY Speaker, LANC LANCE Speaker, BILL BILL Speaker, ENV ENV Environment @Options: CA, caps, bullets @ID: eng|SBCSAE|RAND|||||Speaker||| @ID: eng|SBCSAE|LANC|||||Speaker||| @ID: eng|SBCSAE|BILL|||||Speaker||| @ID: eng|SBCSAE|ENV|||||Environment||| @Media: 22, audio @Comment: Runway Heading @Comment: Task-related interaction, recorded in an air traffic control tower in Portland, Oregon. Lance is training to be an air traffic controller, and has just finished working a shift. Randy, an experienced controller, is giving Lance feedback/briefing on his performance on that shift. *RAND: (..) &=in ʔuh: You know it's: 2835_4073 (.) it was really pretty straightforward this ⌈ morning ⌉ . 4073_6874 *LANC: ⌊ &=in ⌋ . 6518_7163 *RAND: (..) &=in (.) And 7163_7927 (..) y- z- +/. 8795_9430 *RAND: (..) I thought you did a good job all the way through . 9910_11740 *RAND: (..) I mean you were on ⌈ top of what you were ⌉ scanning . 12220_14307 *LANC: ⌊ Hm . 12832_13059 *LANC: Thanks ⌋ . 13059_13407 *LANC: &=SNIFF . 13846_14209 *RAND: (..) um . 15229_15630 *LANC: (.) should've kept that one Horizon 15766_17120 Fauker jet . 17120_17543 *LANC: just t- keep em on the right . 17543_18693 *RAND: (..) Why did you switch em . 19298_20220 *LANC: &=in Well 20493_20954 (..) ʔuh &=ex 21892_22164 (..) looking at something 22829_23608 I would get +/. 23608_23986 *LANC: it didn't seem like I could get someone else out . 23986_25642 *LANC: (..) But 25779_26164 &=in um 26678_27238 (..) a:nd 27586_28032 (.) part of it to provide a good service 28032_29439 but then . 29439_30013 *RAND: (..) Yeah . 30543_31042 *RAND: (..) &=in ʔuh Well 31874_32320 ʔuh that- that- +/. 32320_32993 *RAND: I guess that's one reason the two eight's kind of +/. 32993_34717 *RAND: (..) well 36433_36789 two eight's kinda nice sometimes 36796_38158 because 38248_38967 (..) ʔuh: (.) ʔuh I mean when we're on ten 40366_41281 all the departures seemed like they're going ⌈ out the ⌉ left . 41281_43338 *LANC: ⌊ &=SNIFF ⌋ . 42717_43118 *RAND: &=in so you really want your arrivals on the right . 43890_45727 *RAND: (.) When you're landing two eight 45742_47028 &=in (.) then you can (.) get departures off of 47618_49463 almost ⌈ both ⌉ at any time . 49463_50816 *LANC: ⌊ &=SNIFF ⌋ . 49780_50128 *RAND: So you ⌈2 always got a ⌉2 hole . 50794_52072 *LANC: ⌊2 N_yeah ⌋2 . 51036_51626 *LANC: (.) Yeah . 52389_52836 *RAND: (.) So 52904_53289 (..) but uh 54454_54892 don't feel bad about keeping Horizon on the right 54892_56813 &{l=X boy &}l=X 56813_57048 because . 57048_57532 *LANC: Mhm . 57622_57985 *RAND: (..) &=in sure doesn't hurt them to taxi &{l=X any &}l=X . 58681_60103 *RAND: They're so used to having 60103_61343 (..) A number one service 62031_63362 &=laugh &=lengthened ⌈ &=laugh &=laugh &=laugh ⌉ . 63362_63679 *LANC: ⌊ &=tsk &=in Yeah . 63611_63921 *LANC: plus ⌋ when they're ⌈2 departing . 63921_64746 *RAND: ⌊2 every one of em came ⌋2 +... 64473_65494 *LANC: (.) they're right by ⌉2 the gate . 64927_66062 *LANC: &=in Everyone- +/. 66183_66576 *LANC: even 66576_66939 (.) even one or- +/. 66939_67423 *LANC: one or two of em I said 67355_68247 I'll advise if the left becomes available . 68247_69843 *LANC: &=in ⌈ and they said w- . 70168_70735 *RAND: ⌊ and they +/. 70274_70667 *RAND: they still ask ⌋ . 70667_71090 *LANC: (.) we'd like the ⌉ left 70742_71340 if it &{l=@ becomes ⌈2 available &}l=@ &=laugh &=laugh &=laugh &=laugh ⌉2 . 71340_72572 *RAND: ⌊2 &=laugh &=laugh &=laugh &=in &=laugh ⌋2 72104_73283 I know 73510_73828 ⌈ they still ⌉ ask . 73828_74576 *LANC: ⌊ &=SNIFF ⌋ . 73828_74334 *RAND: And Viking is the same way . 74599_76119 *RAND: (.) ⌈ &=in &=lengthened ⌉ . 76013_76459 *LANC: ⌊ Yeah ⌋ . 76308_76769 *RAND: (..) So . 77548_78153 *RAND: (..) There's: sh: +/. 78932_80006 *RAND: there's sure nothing wrong with keeping em on the right though . 80006_82214 *RAND: (..) Um 83069_83666 (..) Traffic Watch Eight we discussed . 85609_87235 *LANC: &=in &=tsk So radar ⌈ service ter⌉minated . 87334_88422 *RAND: ⌊ um ⌋ 87825_88029 call me inbound 88407_89300 (..) or . 89617_90048 *RAND: (.) &=in You wanna say &{l=Q radar service terminated 91107_92476 frequency change approved . 92476_93406 *RAND: (.) Report back inbound &}l=Q . 93406_94555 *RAND: (..) Or 96015_96521 (..) &=in I I think that something a littleʔ little (.) more like that's better 97285_100045 than just saying radar service terminated 100045_101528 because 101528_101966 he's kinda +... 101966_102443 *LANC: &=SNIFF . 102443_102881 *RAND: (..) ⌈ Left hanging ⌉ . 103335_104038 *LANC: ⌊ Okay ⌋ . 103335_104046 *RAND: (.) And you could just say 104711_105535 (..) radar service terminated 105634_106534 report back inbound 106534_107464 and then he'll +/. 107464_108069 *RAND: (..) he'll either come back and say 108439_109475 well I'm departing the area 109475_110284 now back to Hillsborrow 110322_111267 &=in Or I'll call you back inbound . 111525_112719 *RAND: So that gives you an idea . 112719_113937 *LANC: (.) Okay . 113937_114413 *RAND: (..) But uh 114685_115298 (..) a:nd uh 116251_117151 (.) &=in (..) ʔuh: Along with that 117620_119964 (..) Let TC 120591_121779 (.) do more of the work for you . 121975_123291 *LANC: (.) Okay [% laugh] . 123548_123972 *RAND: (..) ʔyou know 125045_125560 (..) Um 126044_126558 (.) just tell her what you want her to do . 126671_128138 *LANC: &=SNIFF . 128123_128524 *RAND: &=in (..) I was thinking of a (.) couple (..) instances 130089_132456 where you could've used her more than you did . 132456_134286 *LANC: (..) Okay . 135239_136003 *LANC: &=in I was thinking that for my rundowns 136139_137825 (..) you know that would ʔuh 137788_138476 (.) that's +/. 138476_138793 *LANC: (..) that would have been a help 139534_140495 but 140495_140971 &=in on the other s- the other hand . 140971_142521 *BILL: (..) I wanna get it on tape 142733_143451 heck of a job Lance . 143451_144382 *RAND: ⌈ &=laugh &=laugh &=laugh &=laugh &=laugh &=laugh &=laugh &=laugh &=laugh &=laugh &=in &=laugh &=laugh &=laugh &=in &=in . 144412_145297 *LANC: ⌊ Oh thank you very much . 144382_145281 *LANC: (.) Did you hear that ? 145372_145894 *LANC: (.) &=laugh &=laugh &=laugh &=laugh &=laugh &=laugh &=in 146287_147709 um 147732_148299 &=laugh &=laugh &=laugh &=laugh &=laugh &=laugh &=in ⌋ . 148389_148919 *RAND: &=in The problem with doing rundowns 148920_150080 is that ⌉ it's kind of over in your face . 150080_151620 *LANC: (.) Yeah 151786_152207 (.) Yeah . 152342_152628 *LANC: ⌈ So ⌉ . 152628_153040 *RAND: ⌊ Cause the ⌋ D-light's kind of 152628_153764 (.) pretty far over to the left there 153764_155161 but sh- you can 155161_155750 you can have her do it if you want . 155750_156920 *LANC: (.) &=tsk &=in Um 157105_157888 &=in I would +/. 158107_158620 *LANC: (..) I'm (.) just (.) working at 158848_161415 (..) doing as much (.) of these other things as I possibly can 162004_164840 (..) Because they'll be times when I won't have a TC 166069_167677 and just +/. 167702_168123 *LANC: (..) just (..) ⌈ challenging myself . 168535_170227 *RAND: ⌊ And that's okay . 169259_170227 *RAND: &=in ⌋ . 170227_170589 *LANC: &=in ⌉ Um 170227_170841 what were some of the things 170841_171675 other than +/. 171675_172180 *LANC: what- what were some of the things that 172180_173274 &=in that I should have used ⌈ her for that I didn't . 173459_175142 *RAND: ⌊ &=in Depending on who your ⌋ +... 174999_175420 *LANC: &=SNIFF ⌉ . 175151_175420 *RAND: Who your TC is 175420_176338 if c- certain people sit down there 176338_177777 they d- +/. 177777_178122 *RAND: they have a tendency to do everything for you . 178223_179990 *RAND: &=in And sometimes that is p- +/. 180201_181404 *RAND: that is really pretty nice . 181446_182709 *RAND: &=in If you just 182995_183551 (.) if you just 183551_184098 (.) all you have to do is stand up 184241_185470 (..) and look out the window 185857_186749 and look at the bright . 186749_187515 *RAND: (.) and talk . 187515_188256 *RAND: (..) ʔuh: You- no other w- +/. 188718_190225 *RAND: no other coordination 190225_191353 or 191353_191614 (.) or ARTS functions 191614_192531 or anything 192556_193019 &=in ⌈ That really is nice ⌉ . 193440_194930 *LANC: ⌊ &=tsk That's ideal ⌋ . 193440_194341 *RAND: (..) ⌈2 It it really ⌉2 helps . 195427_196672 *LANC: ⌊2 Mhm ⌋2 . 195595_196058 *RAND: (..) the situation . 196880_197720 *LANC: (.) Mhm . 197905_198305 *RAND: (.) So 198505_199080 (..) but 199405_199745 (..) ʔuh: Right now 200590_201290 like you say 201290_201793 maybe it is better for you to do ⌈ some of that ⌉ stuff . 201793_203625 *LANC: ⌊ &=SNIFF ⌋ 202809_203143 (.) &=tsk um 203730_204440 (..) I don't think there was &=ex 205956_207350 I mean I had 207350_207841 (..) just a couple that I switched to the left 209139_210778 you know maybe three or so 210795_211742 that I switched to the left 211742_212513 uh p- +/. 212505_213057 *LANC: (.) uh probably two or three 212943_213960 (.) &=in and so there was that 214591_215415 I didn't have any (..) ARTS entries 215415_216993 I had 216993_217484 (..) you know 218071_218308 Traffic Watch to slue out to . 218308_219903 *RAND: &=YAWN . 219859_220631 *LANC: um . 220631_221227 *RAND: &=YAWN (.) &{l=YWN Yeah &}l=YWN . 221691_223550 *LANC: For the most part 223550_224391 (..) I mean I was able to k- +/. 224795_225566 *LANC: I think I was able to keep up with that stuff . 225566_227205 *RAND: With the ARTS . 227205_227819 *LANC: (.) Yeah . 228012_228397 *LANC: I mean 228397_228678 &=laugh &=laugh there wasn't really nothing much to do . 228678_230142 *LANC: ⌈ &=in um ⌉ . 230563_231115 *RAND: ⌊ No 230475_230624 there wasn't ⌋ . 230624_231054 *LANC: (..) So . 232745_233271 *RAND: (.) But there could be . 233666_234376 *LANC: (.) Yeah . 234542_235051 *RAND: If there's VFRs departing 234875_236120 or . 236033_236471 *LANC: (.) Yeah . 236357_236725 *LANC: I told her (.) to do my (..) VFR guys . 236725_239355 *RAND: (.) ʔOh ʔYeah . 239662_240293 *LANC: And um 240293_241038 to write down my VFRs . 241134_242379 *LANC: &=laugh &=laugh &=laugh &=in 242423_243387 That's [% laugh] one thing I gotta kick myself to do . 243387_245035 *RAND: (..) Yeah . 245780_246227 *LANC: (..) Now are we still required to w- +/. 247060_248209 *LANC: write 248209_248568 like 248577_248901 the Empires that coming in through the gates VFR ? 248901_251189 *LANC: (.) Don't they ? 251294_251846 *LANC: (.) We are ? 251960_252451 *RAND: (..) ⌈ Any ⌉ VFR . 253039_253828 *LANC: ⌊ &=in ⌋ 252986_253267 &=in Now isn't that 253915_254915 (..) aren't they when they c- +/. 255265_256168 *LANC: (..) But what if they've +/. 258009_258956 *LANC: (..) c- well I guess we have no way of knowing if they've come in IFR 259447_261708 and then cancelled VFR . 261708_262848 *RAND: (..) Well yeah 263514_263979 because they have a strip on it down⌈stairs ⌉ . 263979_265705 *LANC: ⌊ Mhm ⌋ . 265346_265714 *RAND: So . 265714_265925 *RAND: (..) ʔI don't +/. 266836_267318 *RAND: ʔuh: actually 267713_268397 ʔuh I'm like you 268511_269142 I don't really know what the point is of that . 269142_271149 *RAND: (..) Because we do have a record of em anyway . 272508_274252 *RAND: (..) ⌈ But ⌉ . 274875_275331 *LANC: ⌊ Mhm ⌋ . 274866_275331 *RAND: (..) ʔuh when the +/. 276058_276567 *RAND: when the +/. 276567_277163 *RAND: (..) order came across or whatever 277881_279196 &{l=X or this &}l=X memorandum that said 279196_280450 to write down all VFR arrivals . 280450_281984 *LANC: (..) &=tsk Okay . 283588_284097 *RAND: (.) So 284298_284693 if they're a VFR arrival 284693_285657 you're supposed to write it down . 285657_286814 *LANC: (..) Okay . 287270_287629 *LANC: (..) &{l=P I'll do that then &}l=P . 288707_289593 *RAND: Unhunh . 289593_290092 *RAND: (.) &=in When Horizon one-thirty-eight didn't answer you there ? 290522_292494 *LANC: (..) &=in (..) Go back to ground ? 293800_294774 *RAND: (..) ⌈ Yeah ⌉ . 295440_295764 *LANC: ⌊ or just ⌋ move on to something else . 295484_296798 *RAND: (.) I mean you tried him a couple times . 296798_298017 *RAND: You say Horizon one-thirty-eight 298017_298937 XXXXX 298937_299612 (..) if they don't get the hint 300375_301173 if he's +/. 301199_301602 *RAND: (..) &=in but if you can't get him 302637_304179 (..) just go on . 304819_305661 *RAND: and do something else that you can do . 305661_307011 *RAND: (.) United was calling ready to go . 307011_308475 *LANC: (.) Yeah . 308475_308922 *RAND: So 309027_309378 shoot . 309378_309833 *RAND: (..) just let United go . 310210_311236 *RAND: (..) Hori⌈zon ⌉ . 311639_312192 *LANC: ⌊ Yeah ⌋ . 311937_312192 *RAND: you can't do nothing with him 312192_312998 so just have him hold there . 312998_314015 *RAND: (..) So just go on to the next . 315061_316392 *LANC: &=tsk Okay . 316392_316929 *RAND: (..) Next thing 319043_319487 and do tell ground . 319487_320491 *RAND: (..) He might be still on ground frequency 321274_322733 which ⌈ is ⌉ +... 322733_323259 *LANC: ⌊ &=SNIFF ⌋ . 322944_323306 *RAND: &=in (..) uh 324509_325314 (.) usually not too likely 325478_326611 because 326611_327265 (..) ⌈ you know ⌉ . 328491_328993 *LANC: ⌊ At that ⌋ point . 328491_329343 *RAND: At that point 329343_329822 ⌈ well he's ⌉ out there . 329799_330558 *LANC: ⌊ you know ⌋ 329799_330173 ⌈2 He's ⌉2 +... 330511_330768 *RAND: ⌊2 and he's ⌋2 probably sitting ⌈3 there ⌉3 . 330511_331516 *LANC: ⌊3 &=SNIFF ⌋3 . 331294_331656 *RAND: and th- he's not hearing anything 331586_333092 (..) &=ex (.) from the ⌈ tower ⌉ you know . 334424_335334 *LANC: ⌊ Yeah ⌋ . 334657_334926 *RAND: he's probably 335334_335813 (..) looking at his radio about then 335883_337612 (.) &=in (.) &=ex . 338161_340310 *LANC: (..) &=in Yeah 341898_342727 I think I was a little bit rigid in my planning of that 342727_344666 cause I wanted to +/. 344666_345214 *LANC: had to plan 345214_345868 (..) to get him out at that point . 347725_349150 *LANC: (..) a:nd 349746_350271 (.) I should've been more flexible and . 350271_351754 *RAND: (..) But uh 355550_356554 you know &=HX 356554_357267 (.) everything else I saw 357267_358913 (.) &=in you- your separation was 359030_360934 (.) was really good this morning . 361074_362148 *RAND: I mean you really tightened em up . 362148_363515 *RAND: (.) Maybe a couple times almost a l:ittle bit ⌈ too tigh:t [% laugh] . 363923_367100 *LANC: ⌊ &{l=@ a little too tight &}l=@ ⌋ . 365955_367030 *LANC: &=laugh &=laugh &=laugh &=SNORT &=laugh &=laugh &=laugh &=in . 367030_368349 *RAND: &=laugh &=laugh &=laugh &=laugh 367030_368349 Cause uh ⌉ 368349_369272 &=in ʔuh +/. 369272_370370 *RAND: (..) I don't know 371806_372367 y- a couple times you had 372367_373745 like one just barely at departure end 373745_375590 a jet at departure 375590_376548 and you cleared another jet for takeoff . 376548_378031 *RAND: (.) &=in And it worked out ⌈ great ⌉ . 378124_379199 *LANC: ⌊ &=tsk Oh ⌋ . 379105_379456 *LANC: (..) One guy out the right and then +/. 379899_380717 *LANC: oh th- +/. 380717_381067 *LANC: both guys out the ⌈ left . 381067_381838 *RAND: ⌊ Both guys out to the left ⌋ . 381640_382527 *LANC: &=SNIFF ⌉ . 381920_382422 *RAND: &=in (.) And it worked out good 382994_383730 but 383730_384185 (..) ʔuh I think it worked out because 384314_386276 (..) &=tsk this guy 388343_388985 was real slow 388985_389814 on (.) on (.) starting his departure roll . 389814_391811 *RAND: (.) &=in (.) You know . 392477_393049 *LANC: ⌈ Mhm ⌉ . 392991_393458 *RAND: ⌊ usually ⌋ you gotta get em just a little bit off the departure end . 392991_395607 *RAND: (..) before you clear the next guy . 396751_398235 *RAND: &=in And watch out for the uh 398492_399835 (.) the seven-th:irty-seven 399986_401750 (..) four-⌈hundreds ⌉ . 402556_403583 *LANC: ⌊ Four-hundreds ⌋ 402929_403583 (..) ⌈2 Okay ⌉2 . 403747_404564 *RAND: ⌊2 Or three ⌋2 hundreds and 403747_404704 ⌈3 &=in ⌉3 . 404704_404973 *LANC: ⌊3 Okay ⌋3 . 404973_405522 *RAND: (..) Because uh ʔuh: 406012_407064 (..) they'll really climb . 407659_408547 *RAND: And they can go fast 408547_409691 too . 409691_410123 *LANC: (.) Okay . 410123_410637 *RAND: (..) So 411046_411431 (.) well you know 411431_411863 just take into consideration the type of aircrafts . 411863_413592 *RAND: It takes the seven-twenty-seven a little b- while to get wound up 413592_415647 while the seven-thirty-seven'll really go . 415647_417341 *RAND: (..) But uh 419139_419700 (.) ʔuh +/. 419700_420225 *RAND: I mean it was really good . 420225_421159 *RAND: (..) Good departure separation . 421370_422502 *LANC: (..) Thanks . 423075_423437 *RAND: (.) I was impressed . 424079_425200 *RAND: (..) A:nd 426461_427104 you saw: 427104_427746 a little bit about the two-sixty ? 427746_429147 *RAND: (..) Heading ? 429930_430339 *RAND: ʔuh Listen to the readbacks for +... 430339_431588 *LANC: &=in Yeah . 431588_432324 *RAND: (.) &=in (..) If I know he's at two-thirty . 433422_435033 *RAND: (..) But you can wrap em around 436084_437287 to one-thirty or one-sixty 437287_438479 to avoid the MBA 438479_439273 and that works great 439273_440020 because: 440020_440429 otherwise you got two-sixty ? 440429_441643 *RAND: &=in There was that one time you had +/. 442076_443150 *RAND: (..) two: south plan aircraft 445509_447401 and one (..) westbound- +/. 447401_449456 *RAND: or 449456_449678 &{l=X river &}l=X 449678_450215 ⌈ metro ⌉ and . 450215_451313 *LANC: ⌊ Mhm ⌋ . 450297_450718 *RAND: &=in &=lengthened . 451383_451792 *LANC: Mhm . 451792_452680 *RAND: (..) I d- +/. 452948_453590 *RAND: I actually didn't think 453590_454887 (..) you were gonna have three miles between the two first . 455389_457269 *LANC: (..) ⌈ Mhm ⌉ . 458624_458963 *RAND: ⌊ south ⌋ &{l=X plan air lane &}l=X 458822_459546 but you did . 459546_460271 *RAND: (..) That was perfect . 461310_462022 *LANC: (..) The one that I kept on runway heading for ⌈ a bit ? 462466_463926 *RAND: ⌊ Yeah ⌋ . 463681_464136 *LANC: or ⌉ . 463926_464218 *RAND: (.) ⌈2 Yeah ⌉2 . 464253_464767 *LANC: ⌊2 Okay ⌋2 . 464405_464942 *RAND: (..) And that was good 466986_467838 (.) it was real good planning 467838_468948 to keep that one Caravan on runway heading 468948_470664 when you had the other one going two-sixty ? 470664_472264 *RAND: (..) To ensure that you had 473631_475161 (..) oh and you had the one going two-forty . 475628_477064 *LANC: &=in . 476959_477298 *RAND: (.) or some⌈thing . 477671_478104 *LANC: ⌊ &=ex ⌋ . 477998_478279 *RAND: and then you had the ⌉ Metro going s:- +/. 478279_479447 *RAND: (.) going two-sixty . 479447_480579 *LANC: (..) ⌈ Yeah ⌉ . 480895_481409 *RAND: ⌊ But you kept ⌋ the Metro on 480895_482004 &{l=X this &}l=X runway heading . 482004_482973 *RAND: (..) Which is really good planning . 483452_484492 *RAND: (..) So . 487540_488567 *LANC: (..) &=tsk &=in I'm +/. 494115_495131 *LANC: (..) I'm +/. 495271_496018 *LANC: (..) less and less (..) impacted . 497665_500550 *LANC: (.) For lack of a better word . 500643_501741 *LANC: (..) by 502698_503329 (..) these g- +/. 504789_505244 *LANC: for some reason 505244_505957 with all these 505957_506809 (.) um 506809_507358 (.) I think 507627_508117 (..) the bulk of (.) my planning 508468_510067 (..) seems to revolve around these little guys 510535_512508 (.) when I can turn em 512508_513314 fitting em in with all my other guys 513314_514634 for some reason 514634_515054 I mean y- 515054_515475 &=in and that is 515603_516304 (..) you know 516421_516969 (.) those guys 517133_517834 (..) having a very fec- affective part 518721_520520 (.) in the whole fan 520520_521711 (.) of all our departures . 521734_522972 *LANC: (..) And um . 523299_524163 *RAND: (.) Hm . 524619_524876 *LANC: (.) I think they're 524946_525763 (..) they're a- (.) affecting me less than they did in the past . 527013_529664 *RAND: (.) ⌈ Yeah ⌉ . 529862_530295 *LANC: ⌊ Does that ⌋ make sense ? 529862_530703 *RAND: ⌈2 Yeah ⌉2 . 530820_531170 *LANC: ⌊2 &=in ⌋2 &{l=@ Do you know what I mean &}l=@ ? 531042_531778 *LANC: &=in Um 532093_532782 (..) cause i- +/. 534440_534756 *LANC: there was a time where 534756_535585 (.) I mean that sequence was good too . 535585_537091 *LANC: &=in but there was a time when 537220_538808 (..) yeah an ʔi- +/. 539439_539964 *LANC: it it may happen again . 539964_541132 *RAND: (.) Yeah . 541366_541716 *LANC: &{l=X Who knows &}l=X +/. 541716_542031 *LANC: where I've got 542031_542580 (.) the little West Coasts in here 542662_543795 and all these guys off the right and left 543760_545126 (..) where am I actually gonna fit these guys in 545488_547333 and they're all calling 547333_548092 they're ready way early . 548092_549038 *LANC: (..) And . 549762_550288 *RAND: (..) Well the sequence 550849_551888 &=in uh 552238_552892 can't be too bad . 552892_553792 *RAND: (.) When you got +/. 553850_554364 *RAND: when you can feed ⌈ from charley ⌉ . 554364_555905 *LANC: ⌊ &=in XX ⌋ . 555286_555847 *RAND: &=in and from bravo 556127_556910 and from alpha . 556956_557727 *RAND: (..) You know ʔuh 558697_559257 the sequence can't be too bad 559257_560250 I mean all ⌈ he did ⌉ . 560250_561102 *LANC: ⌊ You got some⌋thing you can do . 560799_561838 *RAND: Yeah . 561838_562364 *RAND: (..) All he did is send em all out . 562469_563835 *RAND: I mean ⌈ you got all the ⌉ West Coasts in the row over on charley . 563835_565832 *LANC: ⌊ &=laugh &=laugh ⌋ . 564150_564396 *RAND: you got the jets in a row on bravo 565739_567187 and you got n- various things over here . 567187_568717 *RAND: &=in So 569225_569600 (.) you can pick and choose . 569820_570825 *RAND: (..) You know 572615_572985 (.) y- +/. 573045_573245 *RAND: I mean as a ground control 573280_574140 you can just send em all out there 574140_575220 and then 575220_575490 &=in when they get there 575945_576445 then you can start arranging the strips . 576445_577760 *RAND: &=laugh &=lengthened &=laugh ⌈ &=laugh ⌉ . 577720_578020 *LANC: ⌊ &=laugh ⌋ &=laugh . 578095_578680 *RAND: You know 578670_578935 the way you want 578935_579315 almost . 579315_579810 *LANC: ⌈ Yeah ⌉ . 579810_580170 *RAND: ⌊ &=in ⌋ 579840_580200 (.) You know th- 580510_580785 ⌈ that's ⌉ . 580785_581155 *LANC: ⌊ Yeah ⌋ . 580785_581180 *RAND: that 581255_581460 it works great . 581460_582035 *RAND: (..) ⌈ That way ⌉ . 582350_582745 *LANC: ⌊ Because you ⌋ don't have to sequence em at some other point 582350_584315 in their taxi route 584315_585260 ⌈ you know ⌉ . 585260_585805 *RAND: ⌊ Yeah ⌋ . 585260_585770 *LANC: (..) They're b- +/. 587125_587390 *LANC: (.) they +/. 587560_587805 *LANC: (.) ʔe +/. 587940_588200 *LANC: (.) essentially on their own (..) taxiway 588390_590450 up through +/. 590450_590825 *LANC: up to the (.) approach end . 590825_591955 *LANC: (.) So . 591955_592285 *RAND: (..) &=YAWN &{l=YWN So that was about all &}l=YWN . 595270_598670 *RAND: (..) that I +/. 600915_601470 *RAND: (..) you know 601970_602290 that I had . 602290_602770 *RAND: I mean 602770_603065 I was paying pretty close attention there 603065_604550 and I didn't (.) really see much of a problem . 604550_606225 *LANC: (..) Oh . 607130_607430 *LANC: ⌈ Thanks ⌉ . 607485_607995 *RAND: ⌊ N:o ⌋ significant problems . 607505_608795 *RAND: (..) XX 609440_609805 (..) to talk about . 609885_610620 *LANC: (..) I'm ⌈ glad ⌉ . 612895_613160 *RAND: ⌊ See there ⌋ was 613115_613825 (..) S- +/. 615860_616145 *RAND: (.) &=in Oh um 616430_617240 (.) don't always 617710_618430 ʔuh: (..) um 620095_620570 (..) don't insist on always saying 621560_623205 (..) seven hundred . 623615_624390 *RAND: If you say +... 624390_625080 *LANC: (..) &=in ⌈ Oh . 627535_627820 *RAND: ⌊ Why hadn't you ⌋ +... 627535_628205 *LANC: at some ⌉ point after he is leaving seven 627830_629320 just wait till he is leaving seven hundred you ⌈2 mean ⌉2 ? 629320_630805 *RAND: ⌊2 Some⌋2times you can ⌈3 do that ⌉3 . 630660_631670 *LANC: ⌊3 Yeah ⌋3 . 631245_631625 *RAND: Yeah . 631725_632065 *RAND: There was a couple times 632065_632725 you didn't need to say it when 632725_633960 (.) when you did . 634120_634865 *LANC: It was out in the +/. 635070_635620 *LANC: yeah . 635720_636010 *RAND: Yeah . 636010_636335 *RAND: (.) Well I mean ⌈ y- w- +... 636630_637200 *LANC: ⌊ Could've either waited ⌋ just a bit . 637070_638355 *RAND: it was at ⌋ +/. 637400_637710 *RAND: ⌈2 He was at a five⌉2-hundred climb and . 638345_639765 *LANC: ⌊2 Or 638345_638560 he was a- ⌋2 +... 638560_638930 *RAND: (..) just go ahead and say 640480_641325 turn left heading one six zero . 641325_642680 *LANC: (..) ⌈ Okay ⌉ . 644150_644520 *RAND: ⌊ Or turn ⌋ left heading two six zero . 644150_645545 *RAND: For a Metro . 645615_646015 *RAND: I mean if you leave em on runway heading 646015_647470 &=in for a little bit . 647975_648740 *LANC: Mhm . 648740_649055 *RAND: they're gonna be at the altitude you need so 649055_650740 (..) but that's no big deal . 652945_653940 *RAND: (..) A:nd uh 657835_658625 I was watching Jet Speed come in 658625_659905 (..) and you got Delta out in front of Jet Speed . 660320_662020 *LANC: (.) Mhm . 662410_662690 *RAND: (..) It seemed like you were a little tense with that but 663195_664660 &=in really pay attention to the speeds when they're coming in . 665830_667855 *RAND: He was doing a hundred and twenty outside of Laker there . 667855_669965 *RAND: (..) Did you see that ? 670210_670830 *LANC: Yeah . 670840_671110 *RAND: (.) Yeah . 671375_671745 *LANC: (.) So that +/. 671890_672360 *LANC: (.) ⌈ that worked out great ⌉ . 672360_673235 *RAND: ⌊ I wondered if you'd saw- ⌋ +/. 672360_673235 *RAND: Yeah . 673235_673620 *RAND: I mean there was lots of room . 673620_674840 *RAND: (..) Lots of ⌈ time . 675405_675935 *LANC: ⌊ Mhm ⌋ . 675770_676040 *RAND: He ⌉ wasn't 676040_676415 he z- wasn't flying as a normal . 676415_677845 *LANC: Mhm . 677930_678230 *RAND: (.) For some reason 678450_679015 he just used the +... 679015_679720 *LANC: Mhm . 680015_680255 *RAND: Or is it uh 680255_681025 Exec Jet . 681055_681900 *RAND: (..) One of those guys is usually really fast . 682120_684055 *LANC: (.) &=in Jet Speed ⌈ is th- I know fast on the ⌉ pr- departure . 684470_686540 *RAND: ⌊ AM-Flight ⌋ . 684920_685485 *LANC: it seems . 686505_687030 *RAND: (.) Yeah . 687185_687620 *LANC: (..) ʔuh I think . 688095_688840 *LANC: (.) It (.) seems like that was the one 689060_690305 but 690305_690520 yeah AM-Flight 690520_691125 when they fly the later jet . 691125_692030 *LANC: &=in Um 693220_693530 yeah . 693530_693880 *LANC: And I think I might have said for delta niners or to 693880_695670 no delay 695670_696105 or some⌈thing like that and ⌉ . 696105_697105 *RAND: ⌊ Yeah . 696355_696580 *RAND: I think you did ⌋ . 696580_697050 *LANC: &=laugh &=laugh &=laugh 697110_697565 (..) And he was actually floating at +/. 698605_699785 *LANC: ʔuh the Jet Speed wasn't +/. 699785_700755 *LANC: (..) yeah . 701345_701675 *RAND: Yeah 701675_701905 you had a lot of time . 701905_702605 *LANC: Yeah . 702735_702950 *RAND: (..) When the Twins (..) get airborne 706900_708950 you got a jet &{l=X following &}l=X 708950_709840 the twin- twin's gonna go southwestbound ? 709840_711355 *RAND: (..) &=in If you got six-thousand feet 713420_714780 and the twin's climbing out of four or five hundred 714780_716565 (..) you can start your transmission 716810_718055 then to the 718055_718705 (.) to the jet . 718975_719610 *LANC: (.) Okay . 719755_720175 *RAND: &{l=Q Twin Cesna ahead is: 720175_721265 will be turning southwestbound 721265_722690 (..) momentarily 723035_723715 runway two eight left clear for takeoff &}l=Q . 723715_724980 *RAND: It says in sight 724980_725790 (.) &=in . 726070_726490 *LANC: (.) Just &{l=X didn't wanna be &}l=X sure he gets his turn in ? 726775_728375 *RAND: (.) Mhm . 728610_729050 *RAND: (.) ⌈ &=in ⌉ . 729490_729805 *LANC: ⌊ Okay ⌋ . 729445_729805 *RAND: The Caravan's coming across 729915_731350 (..) if you wanna get &=ex +... 731695_732620 *LANC: &=in Yeah what do you say . 733080_733730 *LANC: Cause I've heard different phraseology 733730_734695 and I af- (.) feel like I was stumbling over that 734695_736295 I think I said it- 736295_736995 (.) couple different ways . 737165_738245 *RAND: (..) A mile west 738990_739830 or something +/. 739830_740070 *RAND: I'll- I just say 740070_741170 &=in (..) ʔuh: you know on a day like this 742735_744460 it's so easy to see em 744460_745320 I would just say the Caravan ahead 745320_746840 (..) is southwestbound . 747605_748610 *RAND: (.) &{l=Q Runway two eight left 748755_749330 clear for takeoff &}l=Q . 749330_749870 *RAND: (..) And and they'll 750075_750945 (.) a lot of times they'll say uh in sight . 750945_752415 *RAND: (..) If they don't say in sight 753355_754245 (..) they'll say 754435_755005 (..) ʔuh: they'll &=ex 756285_756715 I would assume they have em in sight 756745_758075 because they won't go . 758070_759005 *LANC: (..) Mhm . 759835_760235 *RAND: Unless they seem em . 760235_761005 *RAND: I mean that's important to them 761005_761910 to see the traffic . 761910_762615 *RAND: (..) but it's safe 764065_764750 it's a safe operation . 764805_765955 *RAND: &=in Because 766665_767075 (..) ʔuh one thing 768265_768950 &=ex you could do 768950_769835 is is turn the (.) Caravan to two-forty . 769825_772080 *RAND: &=in . 772150_773325 *LANC: (..) Mhm . 773325_773730 *RAND: To get him across . 773965_774895 *RAND: And then 774900_775375 (..) just before you ship em 775895_776555 send em back to two-fifty XX something like that . 776555_778785 *LANC: (..) Hm . 779185_779555 *LANC: &=laugh &=laugh &=laugh . 779815_780190 *RAND: &=SNIFF 780090_780415 (..) Cause the track's what im- (.) what's important . 785000_786840 *RAND: (..) But 788310_788580 (.) but two-fifty was working out fine today . 788675_790260 *RAND: (..) Fifteen degrees and a mile . 793725_794785 *RAND: (..) Is what you need so 796360_797235 (..) or less . 799740_800330 *RAND: (.) using visual . 800330_801050 *LANC: (..) Yeah 803480_803760 In fact it was a 803760_804455 (..) Was the West Coast that +/. 805615_806600 *LANC: (..) was it the Horizon who said he could (.) do the visual with the Twin Cesna ahead 807305_810160 or was it vice versa 810150_811085 one of the two . 811085_811735 *ENV: (.) &=PHONE_RING . 812005_813455 *RAND: Yeah . 813620_814035 *LANC: And at that point I said 814035_814985 (.) don't need it now . 815090_815815 *LANC: &=laugh &=laugh 815815_816105 (..) They got it . 817700_818100 *RAND: (..) Somebody in there ? 819535_820205 *LANC: I think Laura went in there 820205_820940 yeah . 820765_821080 *BILL: (..) Comm 826005_826325 (..) line for you . 826665_827470 *BILL: XXX have a call on the other line . 828005_829250 *RAND: (.) This is Randy . 829440_829965 *RAND: (..) Okay . 832170_832570 *RAND: (.) M_bye . 832840_833195 @End