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@Comment:	God's Love
@Comment:	A segment from a sermon/lecture recorded at a small
	conference near Chicago, Illinois. The speaker is a pastor in his
	mid seventies.
*JEFF:	&=tsk &=in (..) We often meditate 1150_2860
	I think 2860_3390
	on the love of Christ 3390_4590
	and there are many ways to do it 4590_6365
	(..) and those who have meditated on the love of Christ 6365_9230
	have often done so 9230_10520
	in terms of the cross itself 10520_12300
	&=in have imagined again and afresh: 12300_15210
	(.) uh: 15210_15610
	(.) his uh bleeding wounds 15610_17310
	uh see him as he died on the cross 17310_19685
	&=in &=lengthened but . 19685_21090
*AUD:	&=NOSE_BLOW . 21090_22050
*JEFF:	(..) wherever we turn . 22050_23605
*JEFF:	(.) &=tsk &=in uh in (.) considering the love of Christ . 23605_26845
*JEFF:	we turn always to the Gospel records 26845_29265
	don't we . 29265_29845
*JEFF:	We we turn to the Word of God . 29845_31880
*JEFF:	(.) We turn to the real Jesus 31880_33660
	as he's described . 33660_34949
*JEFF:	&=in &=lengthened (.) And uh 34949_36704
	(..) &=in ⌈ There- (.) there ⌉ is where (.) our (.) meditation always centers . 37137_42212
*AUD:	          ⌊ &=COUGH &=COUGH ⌋ . 37948_38901
*JEFF:	&=ex That (.) we might know him 42212_44437
	&=in and uh see: the wonder &=in of his love . 44437_47878
*JEFF:	(..) &=tsk &=in And not only hear him as he cries 47878_50809
	why have you forsaken me 50809_52379
	&=in but uh 52379_53785
	see him also 53785_54871
	in his (.) seeking love 54871_56475
	&=in as the risen Lord . 56475_58258
*JEFF:	(..) &=in Uh see him uh 59253_61291
	(..) with that fish breakfast &=ex 61291_63105
	by the Lake of Galilee . 63105_64866
*JEFF:	(..) &=in &=SWALLOW (..) Broiling fish . 65445_68973
*JEFF:	(..) &=in Don't you like that ? 69804_71153
*JEFF:	(..) &=in You know he had that uh 72262_73755
	&=laugh &=in (.) he had that breakfast all cooking . 73755_76148
*JEFF:	&=laugh &=laugh &=laugh &=in (.) While the disciples were still out in the boat . 76148_79768
*JEFF:	&=laugh (..) And then uh 79768_82161
	(.) of course he has a special interview with Peter . 82161_84634
*JEFF:	(..) Not the first time he'd seen him 85160_86784
	he made a special resurrection appearance 86784_88914
	uh (.) to Peter . 88914_89634
*JEFF:	(..) &=in But uh 90099_91116
	there in the morning 91116_92114
	early morning 92114_93025
	in the Lake of Galilee . 93025_94412
*JEFF:	(..) And there are cocks crowing in the distance . 95163_97358
*JEFF:	(..) &=tsk &=in And Jesus says to Peter 98196_100863
	(..) &=in do you love me 100863_102304
	more than these ? 102304_103390
*JEFF:	(..) &=tsk Simon 104518_105630
	(.) son of Jonah 105630_106495
	(.) do you love me 106495_107311
	(.) more than these . 107311_108195
*JEFF:	&=in (..) Three times the question . 108195_110904
*AUD:	&=THROAT . 110904_111769
*JEFF:	(..) &=tsk &=in Because 112158_113221
	you see 113221_113872
	(..) &=in as uh (..) &{l=@ we were saying a bit ago &}l=@ 114097_116749
	(.) the love and the service go together . 116749_118807
*JEFF:	Don't they . 118807_119321
*JEFF:	&=laugh &=in &=lengthened If Peter is to be restored in service 119321_122796
	(..) he has to be restored in love . 122796_124629
*JEFF:	(..) &=tsk &=in And when (.) Peter says 125403_127354
	uh 127354_127628
	I love you 127628_128474
	then Jesus says 128474_130071
	(.) uh 130071_130429
	(..) feed my sheep 130917_132022
	(.) tend my lambs 132022_133157
	(.) care for my little ones . 133157_134521
*JEFF:	(..) We +/. 137086_137516
*JEFF:	(.) we can't love others 137516_139067
	(.) in the name of Christ 139067_140508
	(..) unless (.) the love for others is a (.) overflow 141133_144699
	(.) of our love (.) for the Lord himself . 144699_146871
*JEFF:	(..) The people that we're called to love 149138_150941
	are (.) unfortunately 150941_152602
	(.) &=in (.) not 152785_153837
	(.) uh 153837_154256
	(.) warrantably lovable . 154256_156165
*JEFF:	(..) &=in &=ex ʔuh We uh 156839_159408
	&=ex &=in &=ex (.) &=in ʔuh The source of our love 159408_162300
	(.) is (.) not how appealing they are [% laugh] 162300_164948
	(..) although 166484_167132
	we can praise God for his image in them 167132_169345
	and rejoice in the many &{l=SM evidences of God's common grace in their lives &}l=SM 169345_173503
	(.) but 173503_173796
	&=in nevertheless 173796_175027
	(..) uh basically 175358_176410
	the (.) the fountain of our love 176410_178045
	&=in i- is uh 178045_179565
	(.) the seeking love of the savior . 179565_181421
*JEFF:	(..) &=in The self-denying love . 182008_184176
*JEFF:	(..) That is uh willing to serve (.) in his name . 184176_186900
*JEFF:	(.) &=in Do you love me . 186900_188402
*JEFF:	(..) &=tsk &=in (..) You know 189248_191538
	ʔuh: Jesus didn't ask Peter those questions 191538_194552
	(..) to (..) undercut (.) his (.) love 194845_198096
	(..) or his faith . 198172_199391
*JEFF:	(..) &=in He asked those questions (.) to establish it . 199391_203164
*JEFF:	(..) &=tsk &=in And uh Jesus does the same with you 204154_206570
	my friend &=ex 206570_207923
	(..) he does the same . 207923_208761
*JEFF:	(..) He does ask you 210693_211653
	this morning 211653_212454
	(.) do you love me . 212454_213528
*JEFF:	(.) Do you really love me . 213528_214949
*JEFF:	(..) But he asks it 217102_218398
	(.) in order that you'll be able to say at last with Peter 218398_221431
	Lord 221431_221824
	(.) you know: everything [% laugh] . 221824_223401
*JEFF:	&=in &{l=@ You know my heart . 223401_225116
*JEFF:	&=in (.) And Lord you know that in spite of everything &}l=@ 225116_227772
	&=in yes (.) Lord I do love you . 227772_229772
*JEFF:	(..) &=in &=lengthened Well 230809_232687
	(..) the saving love of uh (.) the Father 232687_235023
	&=ex and the Son 235023_236107
	(.) is also the saving love of the Spirit . 236107_238432
*JEFF:	(.) and that's why I read that section from Romans eight . 238432_241022
*JEFF:	(..) &=in Uh you see 241332_242335
	God's (.) love (.) is (.) is present (.) in the Spirit . 242335_246293
*JEFF:	(..) &=tsk &=in (..) &=tsk &=in ʔuh There there's a wonderful theology of the Spirit 246849_251810
	in uh 251810_252604
	(.) in the Scriptures . 252604_253962
*JEFF:	ʔuh ʔuh Especially of course in the New Testament 253962_256256
	(.) &=in Um 256256_257328
	(.) &=tsk &=in Bultmann 257328_259047
	in his uh commentary on uh Romans eight 259047_262403
	(..) uh 262589_263346
	ʔuh talks about 263346_264331
	uh 264331_264650
	the two ways (.) in which the Spirit (.) i- is spoken of . 264650_268636
*JEFF:	(..) &=in And uh 268636_270172
	ʔuh he unfortunately uses anthropological terms to describe it 270172_275069
	&=in uh 275069_275763
	he talks about uh 275763_277368
	&=in the the the Spirit in uh 277368_279821
	&=in the sense of mana 279821_281800
	(.) as in uh &=in animism 281800_284016
	where the spirit 284016_284868
	(.) you have a spirit of of a tree 284868_286551
	or a (.) a stone 286551_288206
	or something like that 288206_289159
	&=in and then you have the more personal concept of the Spirit . 289159_292925
*JEFF:	uh &=in uh 292925_293910
	both an impersonal and a personal concept of the Spirit . 293910_297412
*JEFF:	&=in Now 297412_298429
	(.) I d- I don't care for his analogy 298429_300905
	but uh the point is well taken . 300905_302975
*JEFF:	(.) &=in Uh 302975_303750
	the point is that Paul does speak of the Spirit 303750_306791
	both as possessor 306791_308264
	&=in and as possessed . 308264_309860
*JEFF:	(..) &=in You see 309860_311018
	the Spirit possesses us . 311018_312938
*JEFF:	(.) &=in Uh 312938_313686
	as Christians 313686_314639
	(.) we are not demon possessed 314639_316581
	(.) we are Holy Spirit possessed . 316581_319053
*JEFF:	(.) &=in And uh 319053_320316
	(.) &=in Holy Spirit possession 320316_322404
	&=in has a (.) close relationship to demon possession . 322404_326189
*JEFF:	(.) &=in uh 326189_327123
	the close relationship is what makes it so different . 327123_330292
*JEFF:	(.) &=in ʔuh You see 330292_331797
	uh demon possession is always destructive 331797_335039
	&=in because uh Satan can't create . 335039_337583
*JEFF:	&=laugh &=in And the demon-possessed man in Gadare ? 337583_341012
*JEFF:	Remember ? 341012_341710
*JEFF:	&=ex &=in uh he couldn't even give his na:me . 341710_343958
*JEFF:	When Jesus asked him what his name was . 343958_346251
*JEFF:	&=ex &=in Uh he- +/. 346251_347528
*JEFF:	His personality was destroyed . 347528_349502
*JEFF:	You know how C S Lewis has done that in his uh 349502_351946
	&=in uh adult novels . 351946_353519
*JEFF:	Uh 353519_353775
	&=in uh but uh 353775_354979
	there it is . 354979_355863
*JEFF:	ʔuh: S- ʔuh demon possession is personality destructive . 355863_360031
*JEFF:	It depersonalizes 360031_361754
	because uh &=in Satan can only corrode 361754_364486
	he can't create . 364486_365603
*JEFF:	He can only destroy . 365603_366861
*JEFF:	(.) &=in But 366861_367682
	Holy Spirit &{n=POUND pos &=nonvocal session 367682_369748
	is no less &=nonvocal real &=nonvocal possession 369748_371763
	&=in only 371763_372844
	it has the &=nonvocal op &=nonvocal posite effect . 372844_374681
*JEFF:	&=laugh &=laugh (.) &=in The Holy &=nonvocal Spirit 374681_376824
	you see 376824_377339
	is the cre &=nonvocal ator &=nonvocal Spirit 377339_378748
	who brought uh &=nonvocal order &=nonvocal out &}n=POUND of chaos 378748_380878
	the Holy Spirit is the one who orders 380878_383322
	&=in the Holy Spirit is the one who frees 383322_386131
	uh liberates 386131_387161
	&=in uh the- +/. 387161_388143
*JEFF:	&=in uh the- the- the- Gadarene demoniac thought he was free 388143_392196
	because nobody could tie him up 392196_393772
	⌈ you see . 393772_394276
*AUD:	⌊ &=THROAT ⌋ . 394420_394805
*JEFF:	he could go ⌉ anywhere 394276_395443
	do anything 395443_396337
	uh absolute freedom . 396337_397769
*JEFF:	Right ? 397769_398227
*JEFF:	&=in ʔuh: and he could treat people +/. 398227_400717
*JEFF:	he hi- he didn't have to dress any particular way 400717_403377
	(.) no dress code 403377_404319
	&=in and so he stripped it all off . 404319_406140
*JEFF:	And the he uh 406140_407184
	&=in he could uh d- treat people any way he wanted to 407184_409947
	so whenever they came by 409947_411243
	he beat them up . 411243_411987
*JEFF:	(.) And ⌈ uh . 411987_412669
*AUD:	        ⌊ &=COUGH &=COUGH ⌋ . 412301_413181
*JEFF:	&=in ʔuh ⌉ and uh then 412669_414013
	if there was nobody handy to beat up 414013_415726
	he picked up a stone 415726_416872
	and uh tore his own flesh apart . 416872_418850
*JEFF:	&=in &=laugh &=laugh There's demonic liberty . 418850_420910
*JEFF:	&=ex &=in But uh 420910_422486
	Holy Spirit liberty: doesn't work that way . 422486_425086
*JEFF:	See [% laugh] . 425086_425447
*JEFF:	&=in Uh 425447_426450
	(.) uh now ʔuh um 426450_427767
	(.) you'll accuse me of thinking uh of Holy Spirit liberty 427767_431069
	in too strictly Presbyterian terms 431069_433443
	(.) because ⌈ uh . 433443_434227
*AUD:	            ⌊ &=laugh &=laugh &=laugh ⌋ . 433832_434596
*JEFF:	&=in ⌋ I remind you 434227_435490
	that that man 435490_436465
	once he was delivered 436465_437850
	was seated clothed 437850_439010
	and in his right mind . 439010_440327
*MANY:	⌈ &=LAUGHTER ⌉ . 440190_446432
*JEFF:	⌊ Uh and (..) &=THROAT &=SNIFF (..) &=THROAT &=in &=in ʔuh ⌋ 440190_446200
	&=in And we'll pass over other uh uh Scriptural ac⌈2counts ⌉2 . 446200_450007
*AUD:	                                                  ⌊2 &=COUGH ⌋2 . 449332_449960
*JEFF:	like the lame man healed 450007_451481
	by the Beautiful Gate at the temple 451481_453180
	who went in leaping and dancing and praising the Lord . 453180_456093
*MANY:	⌈ &=LAUGHTER ⌉ . 456093_459886
*JEFF:	⌊ See that 456093_456591
	&=in uh that's a little different 456591_458228
	but &=laugh &=laugh &=COUGH (.) &=COUGH &=COUGh ⌋ 458228_460507
	&=in But uh ʔuh: you Presbyterians want to do everything decently and in order . 460507_464839
*JEFF:	&=laugh &=laugh &=in Uh but 464839_465903
	but the Holy Spirit 465903_467008
	remember 467008_467574
	is the spirit of both . 467574_468864
*JEFF:	(.) Right ? 468864_469471
*JEFF:	He's the spirit of order 469471_471027
	he's the spirit of ardor . 471027_472343
*JEFF:	&=laugh &=in And- and the Holy Spirit 472343_474697
	uh uh ʔuhʔuh is the one 474697_476450
	(.) &=in uh who has uh 476450_478006
	(..) &=in ordered our lives . 478006_479479
*JEFF:	And as he possesses us . 479479_481083
*JEFF:	He orders us . 481083_482215
*JEFF:	And he gives us the order of love . 482215_485155
*JEFF:	(..) If you love me 485954_487147
	Jesus said 487147_487993
	keep my commandments . 487993_489406
*JEFF:	Uh I (.) wanna say a little bit more about that in a moment . 489406_491834
*JEFF:	&=in The obedience of love . 491834_493342
*JEFF:	&=in But the Holy Spirit is the one who orders our lives 493342_496787
	(..) &=in uh 496787_497545
	controls our lives 497545_499543
	(.) is in possession of our lives 499543_501611
	&=in but the Holy Spirit's also given to us 501611_504387
	see 504387_504578
	he's not only &=in the possessor 504578_507055
	&=in he's also the one (.) who is possessed . 507055_509975
*JEFF:	(.) We possess him . 509975_511237
*JEFF:	(.) &=in He dwells in our hearts . 511237_513358
*JEFF:	&=in Uh 513358_513836
	we have not only the gifts of the Spirit 513836_516347
	in the plural 516347_517104
	&=in but we have the gift of the Spirit 517104_519164
	(.) We have the Holy Spirit himself 519164_520999
	given to us . 520999_521845
*JEFF:	(.) The promise of the Father . 521845_523285
*JEFF:	(.) &=in Uh they- the disciples were to wait 523285_525557
	(.) until that great promise was given 525557_528019
	the gift of the Holy Spirit . 528019_529432
*JEFF:	(.) &=in And so (.) the Holy Spirit given to us 529432_532836
	&=in uh f- +/. 532836_533859
*JEFF:	works in us . 533859_535210
*JEFF:	Uh 535210_535599
	(.) &=in that (..) sense of the presence of God's love . 535599_538969
*JEFF:	&=in And that's why uh Paul says 538969_540840
	in Romans five 540840_541975
	(.) that God &=in pours out his love in our hearts . 541975_545510
*JEFF:	(.) &=in By the Holy Spirit . 545510_547170
*JEFF:	(.) &=in Now 547170_548180
	ʔuh there 548180_548800
	the love that's poured out 548800_550345
	(.) does not describe &=in the love that we have for Go:d 550345_553750
	although that is the fruit of the Spirit you know 553750_556325
	(.) love joy peace (.) so on ? 556325_557905
*JEFF:	&=in Uh 557905_558705
	but ʔuh in that passage 558705_559935
	in Romans five 559935_560765
	Paul isn't talking about &=in uh 560765_562710
	the gift of love that we have for God 562710_565050
	&=in he's talking about the gift of love that God has for us . 565050_568385
*JEFF:	(.) &=in Because he goes on to describe that love of God . 568385_571225
*JEFF:	(.) God commends his love toward us 571225_573115
	in that while we were yet sinners Christ died for us . 573115_575290
*JEFF:	(.) &=in So it's God's love for us 575290_577315
	that's poured out in our hearts 577315_578870
	by the Holy Spirit given to us . 578870_580585
*JEFF:	(.) &=in ʔuh Which is uh 580585_582475
	(..) &=tsk &=in again . 582475_583465
*JEFF:	(..) &=tsk &=in uh 583465_584335
	(.) a wonderful (.) reality . 584505_586585
*JEFF:	(..) &=tsk (.) &=in Because 587290_588630
	(.) if God didn't do that 588630_590190
	(..) uh 590505_590840
	&{l=@ we wouldn't have a love for God &}l=@ . 590840_592485
*JEFF:	(..) There's no (.) spring of that divine love within us . 593250_596710
*JEFF:	(.) &=in It comes from him . 596710_598490
*JEFF:	(..) And it does come from him 598490_600035
	and he does give it . 600035_601070
*JEFF:	(.) &=in &=lengthened (.) And so the Spirit is the spirit of &=ex uh adoption . 601460_606580
*JEFF:	The spirit of sonship . 606580_608275
*JEFF:	(..) &=in Now 608275_609045
	to be the spirit of sonship 609045_610640
	he has to be also the spirit of fatherhood 610640_612870
	right ? 612870_613330
*JEFF:	&=ex &=in (..) &=in Uh to make us &{n=POUND a &=nonvocal ware &}n=POUND 613330_615545
	that we are children of God 615545_617050
	&=in uh we have to know 617050_618695
	(.) that he is our father . 618695_619865
*JEFF:	And so 619865_620395
	&=in it is the love of God 620395_622005
	made real to our hearts 622005_623545
	(.) the knowledge that he does love us 623545_625340
	(.) that he is present with us 625340_626875
	&=in that uh (.) becomes of course then the source 626875_630245
	&=in of our (.) uh (.) love toward him . 630245_632470
*JEFF:	(.) &=in Um 632720_633780
	(..) &=tsk &=in uh ⌈ friends ⌉ . 634395_635440
*AUD:	                   ⌊ &=COUGH ⌋ . 634910_635445
*JEFF:	uh 635440_635800
	(.) &=in there's +/. 635800_636800
*JEFF:	(.) there's nothing more important . 636800_638530
*JEFF:	(..) For the whole balance 638530_640200
	and stability 640200_641165
	and progress 641165_641995
	and growth 641995_642615
	of our Christian lives . 642615_644100
*JEFF:	(..) &=in Than 644100_645220
	(.) ʔuh to realize 645220_646625
	again 646625_647320
	and again 647320_647975
	and again 647975_648675
	&=in the uh 648675_649760
	(.) the wonder 649760_650600
	(.) of our union with Jesus Christ . 650600_652785
*JEFF:	(.) Through the Spirit . 652785_653975
*JEFF:	(..) Because it's in Jesus Christ that we are united to the Father 654340_658045
	(.) &=in and it is by the Spirit that Christ is present in our hearts 658045_661935
	&=in and it's by the Spirit that the Father is present in our hearts . 661935_665095
*JEFF:	&=in (.) Two aspects (.) of union with Christ 665095_667760
	i- I think you all know this theology 667760_669955
	but it always pays &{l=X to &}l=X (.) think about it again . 669955_672310
*JEFF:	(.) &=in The representative union 672310_674445
	(.) the vital union . 674445_675630
*JEFF:	(.) &=in The representative union . 676015_677670
*JEFF:	(..) &=in The basis of our salvation . 678240_680565
*JEFF:	(.) &=in When Christ died 680765_682430
	(..) we died &=ex . 682590_684040
*JEFF:	(..) &=in Because he died for us . 684040_686155
*JEFF:	(..) He died as our representative 686675_688370
	he died in our place 688370_689615
	(.) &=in uh he died as uh 689615_691715
	&=in uh the one 691715_693105
	&=in uh ʔuh who bore our sins . 693105_695840
*JEFF:	(.) In his own body 695840_696890
	&=in on the tree . 696890_697975
*JEFF:	(..) So he was our representative . 699210_701035
*JEFF:	(.) Right ? 701035_701675
*JEFF:	(..) &=in And he represented us 702090_703850
	not only as Paul teaches 703850_705260
	(.) not only when he died for us 705260_706800
	but when he rose for us . 706800_708085
*JEFF:	(..) &=in And then he ascended 708315_710080
	into the heavenly places 710080_711530
	and where he is 711530_712305
	we are . 712305_712960
*JEFF:	(.) &=in And that's why Paul says in Ephesians 712960_714985
	that we are in the heavenly places 714985_716610
	in Christ Jesus . 716610_717935
*JEFF:	(.) Why . 717935_718335
*JEFF:	&=in Representatively . 718335_719930
*JEFF:	(.) Where he is 719930_720615
	(.) we are . 720615_721195
*JEFF:	(..) &=in Now 721860_722985
	(.) that's a tremendously 722985_724595
	(.) important of course 724595_725980
	foundational 725980_727055
	life-transforming truth . 727055_729010
*JEFF:	(..) &=in It's happened &=ex . 729185_731325
*JEFF:	(..) See &=ex 731325_731890
	&=in you a:re a a new creature in Christ 731890_734025
	because you're united to him . 734025_735555
*JEFF:	(..) &=in You ha:ve triumphed over sin and death . 735555_738535
*JEFF:	&=in You ha:ve died to sin . 738535_740155
*JEFF:	&=in And Paul's (.) reasoning about how we ought to live 740155_743585
	⌈ is ⌉ always grounded in that . 743585_745270
*AUD:	⌊ &=COUGH ⌋ . 743445_743700
*JEFF:	&=in Uh you know 745270_746105
	in Colossians . 746105_747205
*JEFF:	Uh 747205_747390
	&=in it's because 747390_748860
	&=in Christ rose 748860_750645
	(.) that we are to seek the things which are above . 750645_753460
*JEFF:	(.) (.) You are risen with Christ . 753460_755005
*JEFF:	Seek the things which are above . 755005_756625
*JEFF:	(.) &=in Because you died with Christ 756625_758710
	therefore mortify (.) sin in your members . 758710_761730
*JEFF:	&=in Put to death sin 761730_763075
	because it has died . 763075_764495
*JEFF:	&=in In other words 764495_765870
	the imperative is always grounded in the indicative . 765870_768975
*JEFF:	(.) Because of what Christ did for us 768975_771470
	(.) therefore 771470_772510
	&=in uh we live out of the fact 772510_775015
	the reality 775015_776035
	the accomplishment 776035_777195
	&=in of his perfect work . 777195_778825
*JEFF:	&=in And don't forget 778825_780285
	(.) Jesus not only paid the price of your sins 780285_783155
	&=in but remember that he lived a perfect life for you &=ex . 783155_786740
*JEFF:	&=in That the white robe of righteousness 786740_789120
	that you wear in that last day 789120_790845
	is the robe of Christ's righteousness . 790845_792835
*JEFF:	So 792835_793075
	&=in it's all that Christ &{l=MRC did for you &}l=MRC . 793075_795795
*JEFF:	ʔuh: &=in uh ʔuh Jesus was baptized for you &=ex . 795795_800230
*JEFF:	&=in Uh let it be done to fill all righteousness . 800230_803170
*JEFF:	(.) The righteousness he had to fill for you . 803170_805325
*JEFF:	(.) See he he did it all for you . 805325_807100
*JEFF:	&=in &=lengthened But then of course the other side of it is 807100_809745
	it's not only representative 809745_811655
	it's also vital . 811655_812990
*JEFF:	(.) Jesus Christ is the vine 812990_814755
	&=in and we are the branches . 814755_816365
*JEFF:	Y- we're united to him . 816365_817700
*JEFF:	Our life is drawn from Christ . 817700_819865
*JEFF:	There is the uh 819865_820925
	&=in uh not only the &=in the the legal uh aspect of that which Christ did for us 820925_827815
	as our representative 827815_829235
	&=in there is the vital aspect 829235_831365
	of what Christ does in us 831365_833270
	(.) as he lives in us 833270_834560
	and dwells in us 834560_835730
	and has fellowship with us 835730_837280
	and &=in and we walk with him . 837280_839195
*JEFF:	&=in Uh 839195_839840
	&=in uh every +/. 839840_840845
*JEFF:	&=in uh y- y- you know 840845_841970
	i- ʔuhʔuhʔuh it's uh 841970_843475
	&=in it's been long fashionable in theological circles to uh 843475_847765
	(..) sniff at the hymn 848430_849750
	&=in uh I walked in the garden alone 849750_851910
	while the dew was still on the roses 851910_853860
	you know 853860_854395
	uh all this uh romantic business 854395_856665
	and uh 856665_857050
	&=in and not a shred of theology in the whole hymn 857050_859675
	and yet everybody (.) perversely seems to love it . 859675_862410
*JEFF:	&=in Uh well uh: [% laugh] 862410_863920
	&=in uh: [% laugh] 863920_864730
	&=in I I I think 864730_865970
	I think the reason it's so loved 865970_868455
	in spite of its uh 868455_869905
	&=in uh uh theological vacuity 869905_872835
	&=in ⌈ uh is that it's uh ⌉ experientially . 872905_876565
*MANY:	     ⌊ &=LAUGHTER ⌋ . 873135_875105
*JEFF:	uh ʔuhʔuh pretty much on target . 876565_878735
*JEFF:	&=laugh &=laugh &=laugh &=laugh 878735_880130
	We've all known those uh precious times of uh &=in of genuine fellowship with the Lord 880130_885610
	&=in that uh 885610_886475
	&=in ʔuh that- ʔuh +/. 886475_887860
*JEFF:	we can describe only with great difficulty . 887860_890525
*JEFF:	&=laugh &=in And uh 890525_892115
	it's true 892115_893090
	you see 893090_893635
	uh 893635_893945
	we are vitally united to Jesus Christ . 893945_896565
*JEFF:	Uh we do know him 896565_897775
	&=in and the knowledge that we have of him 897775_900165
	&=in is the knowledge of love . 900165_901675
*JEFF:	ʔuh We just simply (.) love him . 901675_903650
*JEFF:	(..) &=in Uh 903880_904870
	(.) &=in we uh 904870_906335
	ʔuh &=tsk &=in ow the mystics 906335_908130
	the Christian myth- mystics 908130_909605
	l- love to talk about ʔuh &=ex +/. 909605_911885
*JEFF:	(..) &=in we've got some kind of time constraint here 912145_914565
	what ʔuh ⌈ uh uh what- +... 914565_915925
*MANY:	         ⌊ &=LAUGHTER ⌋ . 914895_917645
*JEFF:	w- &=in w- w- when do we ⌉ . 915925_917675
*DAN:	⌈2 I think ⌉2 . 917785_918125
*JEFF:	⌊2 When ⌋2 +... 917675_918190
*DAN:	I think we're done when you are . 918125_919350
*DAN:	⌈ so &=laugh &=laugh ⌉ . 919350_919880
*JEFF:	⌊ &=in well ⌋ 919730_920365
	I ⌈2 I gotta be ⌉2 +... 920365_921245
*DAN:	  ⌊2 finish ⌋2 what you have ⌈3 &{l=X to say &}l=X ⌉3 . 920940_922440
*JEFF:	                             ⌊3 I I well ⌋3 +/. 921245_922260
*JEFF:	I'll I yeah . 922260_922995
*JEFF:	Let me try to finish &{l=@ what I'm talking about here but 922995_925190
	&=in but uh &}l=@ 925190_926060
	&=in &{l=SM there- there- +/. 926060_926985
*JEFF:	I don't often get chance 926985_928500
	(.) to talk to types like you &}l=SM 928500_930165
	&{l=@ you know ⌈ it's wonderful &}l=@ . 930165_931615
*MANY:	               ⌊ &=LAUGHTER ⌋ &=lengthened . 930165_933870
*JEFF:	&=laugh &=in &=laugh &=laugh &=in ⌉ 931615_933100
	uh it's particularly wonderful 933100_934700
	cause I know you know everything I'm saying anyway [% laugh] s so [% laugh] 934700_937475
	you can smile affirmatively 937475_939200
	and that encourages me 939200_940110
	that's great . 940110_940550
*JEFF:	⌈ uh but &=throat ⌉ +... 940550_941750
*MANY:	⌊ &=LAUGHTER ⌋ &=lengthened . 940920_942770
*JEFF:	But uh 942770_943310
	&=in but 943310_943955
	ʔuh: really 943955_944860
	the- the- that uh 944860_945975
	you know the Christian mystics (.) talked about climbing Jacob's ladder . 945975_949220
*JEFF:	And uh 949220_949690
	&=in uh you you you'd (.) come up the ladder 949690_952170
	and when you get at the top 952170_953290
	you fling yourself down 953290_954810
	(.) at the very gate of heaven . 954810_956360
*JEFF:	(.) And maybe uh 956360_957375
	&=in maybe the gate will open . 957375_959135
*JEFF:	Y- you can't (.) control it 959135_960685
	you don't know when it will open 960685_962135
	(.) but maybe it will open . 962135_963370
*JEFF:	&=in And when it opens 963370_964775
	then 964775_965230
	uh it's uh 965230_966280
	&=in light (.) bursting in your inner heart . 966280_968840
*JEFF:	&=ex &=in And uh 968840_970130
	&=in once you've had that experience 970130_971810
	you'd (.) give anything to have the experience repeated . 971810_974420
*JEFF:	And so uh 974420_975255
	&=in you go through any amount of discipline 975255_977740
	and uh 977740_978375
	try out different forms of discipline 978375_980570
	and uh 980570_981065
	&=in you recite the Jesus prayer thousands of times with the monks of Mount Athos 981065_985755
	and uh 985755_986130
	&=in and uh 986130_986945
	sooner or later 986945_988000
	uh you think it may happen . 988000_989510
*JEFF:	Uh the uh 989510_990265
	you you may gain that experience . 990265_992310
*JEFF:	&=in &=lengthened (.) Well now uh 992560_994030
	you know 994030_994560
	there are experiences of ecstasy 994560_996755
	tha- uh 996755_997320
	that can be induced by a transformation of consciousness 997320_1000685
	&=in and uh 1000685_1001505
	I think Christians sometimes have uh 1001505_1003765
	&=in uh mingled that uh psychological experience 1003765_1007070
	uh 1007070_1007320
	&=in whether it's the left (.) part or 1007320_1009240
	or the right part of the brain taking over 1009240_1011380
	(.) or something 1011380_1012000
	ʔuh &=in I don't think um 1012000_1014245
	uh 1014245_1014900
	&=in the um 1014900_1015925
	(.) the psychologists are as sure as they once were 1015925_1018535
	or even the neurologists about how some of those things happen 1018535_1021510
	(.) but uh 1021510_1022045
	&=in uh at any rate 1022045_1023310
	&=in uh 1023310_1023920
	ʔuh: you ⌈ see . 1023920_1024735
*AUD:	         ⌊ &=COUGH ⌋ . 1024440_1025030
*JEFF:	ʔuh⌉: it isn't that we have to climb the ladder . 1024735_1027720
*JEFF:	&=laugh &=laugh &=laugh &=in &=laugh &=in And uh 1027720_1030090
	I'm [% laugh] I'm [% laugh] sorry that that whole &=in episode with Jacob got misunderstood . 1030090_1034660
*JEFF:	&=in All because uh 1034660_1036265
	&=in all because of the Hebrew preposition al . 1036265_1039055
*JEFF:	(.) That uh 1039055_1039685
	wasn't taken account of . 1039685_1041440
*JEFF:	&=laugh &=laugh &=in Uh that see 1041440_1043090
	&=in uh 1043090_1043460
	he he stood (.) uh (.) upon 1043460_1046355
	(..) not it . 1046695_1047705
*JEFF:	(..) ee 1047705_1048280
	he ʔuh Jacob st- saw the stairway 1048280_1050365
	not a painter's ladder of course 1050365_1051785
	but a 1051785_1052075
	&=in a tower of Babel type of thing 1052075_1054305
	a uh 1054305_1054785
	&=in a zigarot . 1054785_1055805
*JEFF:	(.) r- right ? 1055805_1056460
*JEFF:	You got a zigarot and 1056460_1057465
	&=laugh &=laugh &=in which was made for the gods to touch down at the top 1057465_1061050
	and then they could come down uh 1061050_1062495
	to the bottom . 1062495_1063050
*JEFF:	You know it was like a little heliport for the gods there . 1063050_1065205
*JEFF:	That ⌈ was he idea . 1065205_1066030
*MANY:	     ⌊ &=LAUGHTER ⌋ . 1065330_1068590
*JEFF:	But but uh 1066305_1067060
	th- they they'd come down 1067120_1068270
	there'd be a ⌉ temple at the bottom 1068270_1069725
	and then uh &=in the god could be with the people . 1069725_1071755
*JEFF:	&=in ⌈ But uh . 1071755_1072670
*AUD:	     ⌊ &=laugh &=laugh &=laugh &=laugh &=laugh &=laugh ⌋ . 1072040_1073860
*JEFF:	&=in uh but it it ⌋ wasn't that that God +/. 1072670_1075235
*JEFF:	that (.) that uh Jacob saw God at the top of the ladder 1075235_1078465
	up in Heaven 1078465_1079300
	&=in uh God stood &=in uh upon him . 1079300_1082490
*JEFF:	(..) &=in Uh the the masculine uh there 1082880_1085710
	the uh 1085710_1086345
	&=in v- v- v- vowel with the little dot &{l=@ over it 1086345_1089730
	you know the &}l=@ &=in the the holem ? 1089730_1091550
*JEFF:	&=in Uh he he he's uh 1091550_1093140
	ʔuh uh he stood upon hi:m . 1093140_1095115
*JEFF:	&=in uh 1095115_1095730
	which is the common Hebrew expression 1095730_1097760
	&=in and you know that's what it is 1097760_1099460
	because the second time when God appeared to b- ʔuhʔuh uh uh j- Jacob at Bethel 1099460_1103625
	&=in uh 1103625_1104390
	the same expression is used . 1104390_1105855
*JEFF:	He went up from upon him . 1105855_1107865
*JEFF:	(.) See ? 1107865_1108225
*JEFF:	Uh 1108225_1108460
	it's the same expression . 1108460_1109780
*JEFF:	&=in So 1109780_1110560
	God had come down the ladder . 1110560_1112315
*JEFF:	&{l=@ That's what we miss &}l=@ . 1112315_1113455
*JEFF:	&=in He wasn't standing up there at the top 1113455_1115575
	&=in uh he came down the ladder . 1115575_1117615
*JEFF:	&=in And uh ʔuh when he came down the ladder 1117615_1120060
	he stood over Jacob 1120060_1121500
	and revealed himself to Jacob . 1121500_1123205
*JEFF:	&=in And that's why Jacob said 1123205_1124885
	this is the house of God 1124885_1126690
	(.) this is the gate of Heaven . 1126690_1128180
*JEFF:	&=in It was the House of God 1128180_1129805
	he said 1129805_1130290
	because God was in this place 1130290_1132300
	and I didn't know it . 1132300_1133520
*JEFF:	(.) &=in See 1133520_1134425
	&=laugh &=in &=laugh &=in it- it's 1134425_1135845
	this is Bethel here 1135845_1137515
	because here God has come to us . 1137515_1139390
*JEFF:	&=in So God was revealing himself to Jacob 1139390_1142215
	&=in and God reveals himself to us . 1142215_1144510
*JEFF:	He comes to us . 1144510_1145705
*JEFF:	&=in And uh 1145705_1146625
	&=in he seeks us . 1146625_1148330
*JEFF:	(.) As we seek him . 1148330_1149470
*JEFF:	(.) &=in And our love is always in response to his love . 1149470_1153015
*JEFF:	&=in And it's the assurance that your God loves you . 1153015_1156650
*JEFF:	(.) that he seeks you . 1156650_1157850
*JEFF:	(.) that he's with you . 1157850_1158835
*JEFF:	That he comes to you . 1158835_1159990
*JEFF:	&=in It's this assurance 1159990_1161670
	that draws you &=in to repentance 1161670_1164390
	and draws you to faith 1164390_1165750
	and draws you to himself . 1165750_1167420
*JEFF:	&=in Um 1167420_1168330
	&=in the uh 1168330_1169480
	(.) &=in ʔuh 1169480_1170110
	salvation is of the Lord . 1170310_1171900
*JEFF:	&=laugh &=in And uh 1171900_1173255
	it's the Lord's love 1173255_1174805
	&=in who quickens your love . 1174805_1176645
*JEFF:	&=in Well 1176645_1177470
	(..) &=tsk I'm not going to say 1178225_1179750
	uh (.) th- the rest of the things I (.) I had in mind to say 1179750_1183640
	&=in But 1183640_1184510
	uh I 1184510_1185330
	ʔuh you can fill out the talk for me 1185330_1188095
	(.) would you please sometime . 1188095_1189485
*JEFF:	(.) &=in the &=in the commitment of love 1189485_1191955
	the obedience of love . 1191955_1193250
*JEFF:	If you love me keep my commandments . 1193250_1195445
*JEFF:	&=ex &=in Um 1195445_1197090
	&=in ʔuh (.) remember 1197090_1198525
	uh Mary's adoration 1198525_1200510
	(.) Uh when she uh (.) brought the spikenard 1200510_1203110
	and uh 1203110_1203420
	opened it and poured it out on the feet of Jesus 1203420_1205605
	just before he went to the cross ? 1205605_1207380
*JEFF:	&=in And Judas criticized her remember 1207380_1209965
	(.) &=in Uh because 1209965_1211265
	he said 1211265_1211675
	this could have been given to the poor 1211675_1213455
	&=in uh 1213455_1214240
	he- he- he was the first old-fashioned liberal . 1214240_1216585
*JEFF:	&=ex Don't worship Jesus 1216585_1218405
	but help the poor . 1218405_1219460
*JEFF:	(.) &=in Uh 1219460_1220500
	but uh . 1220500_1221185
*MANY:	⌈ &=LAUGHTER ⌉ . 1221185_1225900
*JEFF:	⌊ &=in Uh y- you see 1221185_1222830
	uh 1222830_1223265
	&=in &=ex uh 1223265_1224175
	w- what- what was the answer ⌋ . 1224175_1225945
*JEFF:	What was the answer that Jesus uh gave . 1225945_1228610
*JEFF:	Uh 1228610_1228980
	&=in uh 1228980_1229740
	n- let her do this . 1229740_1231270
*JEFF:	Let her keep it . 1231270_1232095
*JEFF:	Not in the sense of preserving the ointment 1232095_1234080
	she was pouring it out 1234080_1235315
	(.) but in the sense of observing it . 1235315_1237070
*JEFF:	&=in Observing a a an observance against his burial . 1237070_1240730
*JEFF:	&=in Uh so 1240795_1241700
	she realized what his death meant 1241700_1243610
	&=in and she realized who he was . 1243610_1245710
*JEFF:	&=in He said the poor you have with you always 1245710_1247940
	but me 1247940_1248495
	&=in you have not always . 1248495_1249835
*JEFF:	&=laugh &=in A tremendous assurance of his own deity . 1249835_1253440
*JEFF:	Who else could say something like that . 1253440_1255135
*JEFF:	Hunh ? 1255135_1255415
*JEFF:	&=laugh &=in But Jesus said it 1255415_1257045
	&=in and uh 1257045_1258040
	(..) uh you see what that says to us . 1258475_1260520
*JEFF:	&=ex (..) &=tsk &=in Uh 1260520_1262930
	(..) if our Lord were here 1263470_1264955
	(.) then we could pour out perfume on his feet . 1264955_1267210
*JEFF:	(.) &=in He's not here . 1267345_1269230
*JEFF:	(..) But who is . 1269500_1270430
*JEFF:	(.) &=in The poor (.) you have with you always &=ex . 1270430_1273410
*JEFF:	(..) &=in So whose feet can we anoint . 1273770_1276065
*JEFF:	&=ex The feet of the poor 1276065_1277990
	(.) in his name . 1277990_1278785
*JEFF:	(..) See . 1278955_1279320
*JEFF:	(..) &=in Uh 1279320_1280695
	(..) love (.) uh uh doesn't mean 1281230_1283595
	&=ex &=in ʔuh: (..) ʔuh ʔuh climbing up (.) Jacob's ladder (.) ʔuh to the heavenlies 1283595_1289685
	ʔuh (..) where nobody else can be around . 1289685_1292195
*JEFF:	&=laugh &=laugh &=in The love of God is experienced in the community of the saints 1292195_1297035
	(..) it's experienced as we all reached out . 1297125_1299520
*JEFF:	(.) reach out . 1299520_1300135
*JEFF:	to the breadth 1300135_1300875
	and the length 1300875_1301615
	and the height 1301615_1302100
	and the depth 1302100_1302865
	&=in and the love of God is experienced 1303155_1305480
	&=in in the course of service . 1305480_1307430
*JEFF:	(..) &=in A- I heard you describe some of these service projects 1307995_1311470
	that uh 1311470_1312095
	&=in um (.) Intervarsity is involved in 1312095_1314720
	&=in and friends 1314720_1315845
	um 1315845_1316305
	(.) &=in these &=laugh &=laugh &=in these projects 1316305_1320040
	(.) &=in even if uh (..) they're working about rebuilding old houses 1320040_1324775
	or whatever &=laugh &=in 1324775_1326475
	(..) they are not things (.) that have nothing to do with love . 1326475_1329855
*JEFF:	(..) &=in They a:re works of love . 1330355_1332680
*JEFF:	(..) They are (.) the evidence 1332930_1335280
	(..) of that (.) love of God 1335660_1337430
	(.) in our hearts . 1337430_1338330
*JEFF:	Uh they are the fruit 1338330_1339400
	(.) that is borne 1339400_1340440
	&=in by the tree 1340440_1342095
	(.) that has the roots down into the water of God's refreshing grace and love . 1342095_1346790
*JEFF:	(.) &=in (.) And uh 1346790_1348665
	(.) the mystical heights of Christian devotion 1348665_1352305
	(.) &=in ought never to be separated (.) from (.) the realities 1352305_1356090
	&=in of uh (.) Christian (.) service . 1356090_1358725
*JEFF:	(..) The uh 1360955_1362025
	(..) there was a hymn (.) in the old InterVarsity hymnal 1362025_1365045
	it's not in the new one 1365045_1366215
	by XX XX 1366215_1367545
	a hymn that I (.) love v- very much . 1367545_1370005
*JEFF:	&=in Talks about how we go with Jesus through the desert 1370005_1373350
	and through uh 1373350_1374270
	&=in the sufferings 1374270_1375440
	and the trials of this life . 1375440_1376890
*JEFF:	&=in (.) And uh 1376890_1377915
	(.) its very last verse is uh 1377915_1379825
	&=in &{l=READ he who in his hour of sorrow 1379825_1382520
	(.) bore the curse alone 1382520_1384395
	&=in I who through the lonely desert 1384395_1387300
	(.) trod (.) where he had gone . 1387300_1389805
*JEFF:	(..) &=tsk &=in He and I 1389805_1391505
	(.) ⌈ in ⌉ that (.) bright glory . 1391505_1393385
*AUD:	    ⌊ &=COUGH ⌋ . 1391505_1391945
*JEFF:	(.) &=in one deep joy (.) shall (.) share . 1393570_1397030
*JEFF:	(..) &=in Mine 1397415_1398665
	(.) &=in to be (.) forever with him . 1398665_1401275
*JEFF:	(..) &=tsk &=in His 1401705_1403340
	(..) &=in that (.) I am there &}l=READ &=ex . 1403340_1405845
*JEFF:	(..) &=in My friends 1406580_1408425
	(..) in the wonder of God's love . 1408515_1410565
*JEFF:	(..) He's pleased with you . 1411050_1412970
*JEFF:	(..) God who looked at his own Son 1413930_1415955
	(.) and his heart rejoiced . 1415955_1417540
*JEFF:	(..) His heart rejoices this morning . 1418320_1420555
*JEFF:	(.) In your praise . 1420675_1422230
*JEFF:	(..) In your worship . 1422230_1423715
*JEFF:	(.) &=in In the service of your hands . 1423715_1426295
*JEFF:	(..) In the love of your heart . 1427015_1428570
*JEFF:	(..) Shall we pray . 1429585_1430845
*JEFF:	(..) &=tsk &=in Our heavenly Father 1431350_1433250
	(..) we (..) cannot find words to express our love for you 1434525_1439505
	(..) because we are overwhelmed by your love for us . 1441065_1444400
*JEFF:	(..) Lord Jesus 1445475_1446790
	(..) how may we speak to you 1446920_1449040
	(..) of that (.) which you give to us . 1449380_1451955
*JEFF:	(..) Spirit of God 1452450_1453785
	(..) how we praise you 1454245_1455650
	(..) that when we do not know what to pray as we should 1455650_1459300
	(..) you make intercession for us 1459475_1461520
	with groanings that cannot be uttered . 1461520_1463525
*JEFF:	(..) &=in And o Lord 1463915_1465195
	(..) receive we pray (..) this morning 1466370_1468855
	(..) the incense &=in of our love for you . 1468855_1471875
*AUD:	(..) &=COUGH . 1472670_1473265
*JEFF:	and forbid Lord 1473000_1474350
	(..) that this should be just a passing emotion in our hearts 1475025_1478745
	(..) uh b:urn it upon: the deepest (.) recesses of our being . 1479255_1483435
*JEFF:	(..) Make us Lord your servants . 1484195_1486305
*JEFF:	(.) &=in Your servants in love . 1486305_1488300
*JEFF:	(..) We ask it in Jesus's name 1488685_1490570
	(.) amen . 1490570_1491305
*DAN:	(..) ⌈ Doctor Mosely ⌉ thank you . 1496395_1497395
*JEFF:	     ⌊ &=in ⌋ . 1496120_1497070
*DAN:	(.) for +... 1497395_1497815
*AUD:	Yeah . 1497815_1498195
*DAN:	+, coming and ⌈ speaking ⌉ to us . 1498280_1499535
*JEFF:	              ⌊ N_yeah ⌋ . 1498530_1498985
*MANY:	&=APPLAUSE . 1499460_1507040
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